I love dark, epic storytelling with happy endings.
It probably started when I was thirteen and read THE STAND
by Stephen King. After 99% of the world is killed by a deadly virus, our
survivors are faced with an even deadlier battle, in the name of evil Randall
Flagg. Most of the people we grew to love and hate in the 1200 page tome (yes,
I read the unabridged version) also die. The ending is happy(ish.) Bittersweet,
but Stu and Frannie (and Frannie’s baby) survive. They defeat evil and begin to
rebuild.
Hugely satisfying.
Hugely satisfying.
Epic storytelling generally involves high fantasy, but after reading the Lord of the Rings trilogy in high school, I haven’t been a fan of fantasy. I loved the story, but there was a lot of other stuff that made me skim lots and lots of pages. My 17 year old daughter read the first two books of the Game of Thrones series and she enjoyed them, but said she was finding herself skimming a lot as well, even though she was worried she’d miss something. So we are watching the Games of Throne series this summer to get caught up because from what my daughter has heard, it’s as good as the books without the boring parts.
I understand the need for storytellers who have to build a
world to incorporate scenes, chapters and even hundreds of pages of histories
and events, and there is a large groups of readers who love that level of
detail.
I’m not one of them.
Epic storytelling works amazingly in film, especially when
there’s a franchise and storytellers can world build over time, adding layers
with each movie while still making each movie a solid story.
STAR WARS came out when I was eight. I saw it in the theater
and was completely in awe. This was
1977, and we hadn’t seen anything as vivid and epic and fast-paced as STAR
WARS. It opened my mind to possibilities I hadn’t even known existed, let alone
thought about. Not just the world of science fiction, fantasy, or alternative
worlds, but the breadth of storytelling. When I was eight, I was reading Trixie
Belden and Nancy Drew. STAR WARS blew me away.
Even though George Lucas always said he had seven stories
planned for the Star Wars franchise, I was disappointed when he sold the rights
to Disney. I was disappointed in the second trilogy because they didn’t hold
true to some of the details in the original trilogy which, to me, is perfect
storytelling. The second trilogy was less than perfect. I didn’t buy into some
of the characters actions and decisions. The only thing I really loved about
the second trilogy was Yoda and Obi-Wan Kenobi. (But who doesn’t love Yoda?)
Yet … JJ Abrams is set to direct the seventh Star Wars
movie, and I am cautiously optimistic. It’s like when I know Joss Whedon is
involved in a project, I am already on board because he’s an amazing
storyteller. And in the end, it’s always
about the story.One of the reasons I’m cautiously optimistic is because JJ Abrams directed the reboot of the STAR TREK franchise. (Okay, yes, I’m a nerd. Kind of obvious, isn’t it?) The first movie was good, but INTO THE DARKNESS was amazing. It was the exact kind of epic storytelling I love—action, suspense, battles (both internal and external), moral conflict, and a multi-dimensional villain. (And I didn’t love it just because Benedict Cumberbatch was the villain. Though I loved him, too!)
Much of great epic storytelling is dependent on the actors being IN character, and I think Abrams brought in an amazing cast (particularly Zachary Quinto who plays Spock—I love him in everything he does.) But because the story was there, and the actors became the characters, and I went along with the ride. J
Epic storytelling isn’t just on the big screen; quieter
versions exist in television. The first season of HEROES, for example, was an
epic storyline that, like King’s THE STAND, brought together disparate characters
in a final battle where some became heroes, and some became villains. I also consider the recently completed first season of THE FOLLOWING starring starring Kevin Bacon and James Purefoy to be an epic storyline. I think it was one of the best written shows on television this year—dark, suspenseful, and very well-written. There is a happy(ish) ending to the season, but then wham! The writers give us a twist. This isn’t a series you can watch just one episode—you have to go from beginning to end. It’s an over-arcing epic story told for the small screen. It gives you the depth of character that you rarely get in two hour movies – the same depth of character I see in novels like THE STAND.
What do you think? Is there a different formula for epic storytelling in books than in the movies? Do you like all the high-level detail in fantasy novels, or prefer the movies? Did you see Star Trek? Iron Man? The Avengers? Or are these high-speed adventures not your cup of tea?
Generally, I am not a fan of fantasy novels, but I do love good science fiction. “Star Trek,” “Star Wars” . . . oh yes, I am right there. And I think the formula is essentially the same whether it is a book or a film: story, story, story. [Kind of like your Lucy Kincaid books, which has that perfect mix of characters I care about and an intriguing story that keeps me page-turning to see what’s next. I enjoyed that character/story mix in the first season of “Heroes” and in “The Following” but “Heroes” seemed to devolve over time and “The Following” has so much graphic violence that there are times that it’s very hard to watch . . . .]
ReplyDeleteI think the hardest part of story telling is achieving "suspension of disbelief" in the reader, because every reader is different, and so what that takes for each reader is going to vary. I think one of the reasons I love to read so much is that I am really easily sucked into a book, wholeheartedly. I remember my mother advising me to take Alistair MacLean's "H.M.S. Ulysses" (about a WWII British warship that is deployed into the arctic circle) on a summer camping trip. "It will help you stay cool," she told me. She was right -- I cannot read that book without a blanket!
ReplyDeleteThe thing that will jar me out of a book most easily is bad writing. There is one very popular mystery writer who has great plots and her characters, by their actions, are interesting. However, her dialogue is so "flat" that I've stopped reading the books because I'm tired of slamming them down with an "Oh, come ON!" when the characters say completely unbelievable things.
I like all the details, personally. They draw me in even more deeply. However, for anyone whose mind doesn't work that way, I can see how, say, the George R.R. Martin books would make you absolutely crazy. (I imagine everyone following the series in print and/or on HBO has seen this by now, but if you haven't, you must! Especially pertinent for our series authors http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7lp3RhzfgI)
The whole absorption thing can be a problem when watching cinema or video... when I left the theater after Jurassic Park, it was all I could do not to duck and dodge away from the cars leaving the darkened parking lot as though they were velociraptors or something. And I think E.T. is the saddest story *ever* and, boy, *that* was a mistake to see in public!
So I'm not sure that "good storytelling" can be defined, or that *any* story will work for all of us. However, it's surely magic when it does and thanks to all of you that labor to give us that pleasure!
Hi Joan -- thank you so much! :) .... I agree about HEROES. Season 1 and 3 were great; seasons 2 and 4 not so much. The writer's strike which hit in the middle of season 2 damaged HEROES more than any other show, in my opinion. THE FOLLOWING is violent, but I didn't think that it was over-the-top, it was all necessary for the over-arching story. And the actors, all of them, were fabulous.
ReplyDeleteHi Kristi -- yeah, bad writing can ruin a good story, but I'm usually forgiving of mediocre writing if the story is there. My daughter who read Martin usually likes more depth and "literary" books than I do, but she was skimming. :) I'll definitely look at the video later ... but does it have major spoilers? I don't mind minor spoilers, but I haven't seen the series and I just ordered them on disk.
I cried at E.T. too and I think I was 13 when it came out.
Great post, Allison! And I had to really think about this one.
ReplyDeleteAnd for me, I realized that whether it's a movie series or a book series it's all about the characters for me. If I fall in love with them I want to follow them - for better or worse. The original Star Wars did it for me, not so much the second series for the same reasons you note. James Bond is another for Daniel Craig (sighhh) but they didnt follow through from Casino Royale.
For either movies or book series, I also dont want a lot of time explaining the back story again - get right to it. Right now I'm sucking down The Ranger's Apprentice series as I adore 2 characters in it and vested in their growth.
I never did like superhero kind of movies like Iron Man or Thor, so those series are not my cup of tea. But I have a soft spot for Michael Keaton as Batman - he was my fave. :)
Hi Allison. Huge fan of your books (especially loved the original sin novels, but alas...)
ReplyDeleteGame of Thrones is a dense read, but so worth the time put into it. The HBO series is great, but no where near as all consuming as the books.
I too, can still remember reading The Stand for the first time. Amazing stuff.
At the BEA Book Bloggers Con, Mulholland Books revealed that they are publishing a novel created by JJ Ambrams called S. It appears to have tons of ephemera (much like the Griffin and Sabine series from a few years back). Coming out in the fall and I can't wait!
In any writing, it comes down to the characters. The fact is their journeys drive the story into infinity and beyond.
ReplyDeleteI'm with you when it comes to THE STAND. I read that at a young age too, and I fell into it's world completely. I think I even read through the boring bits! (Don't know if I could do that now though.)
ReplyDeleteI'm a fan of the quiet epic as well as the loud epic. Not huge on fantasy--the Tolkien trilogy was definitely a case of movies over books.
What about "Homeland"? I loved it. Quietly epic in my opinion--huge themes underlie the characters' struggles.
I need to check out "The Following." And I can't can't can't wait to see the new Star Trek.
Another movie popped into my head: the latest James Bond, "Skyfall," had more of an epic feel than the previous movies. I think because it wasn't all about the action. It had more character drama and bigger themes than is usual for that franchise. (Javier Bardem! I loved him the way I know I'm going to love Benedict Cumberbatch in Star Trek.)
It's more than the characters. It's well-drawn characters in a story you know will be momentous for them. It's when the bet it all because what's happening requires that level of dedication and nothing less.
ReplyDeleteIt's Rocky and Apollo Creed, Alydar and Affirmed, it's chasing round the moons of Nibia and round the Antares maelstrom and round perdition's flame before the character gives up. It's two (or more) characters entering into a long-inevitable situation with the knowledge that devastation awaits for one of them.
It's like a ballgame that matters a lot and you know early on that one mistake or one triumph will make all the difference. And it matters because you care deeply about one or both of the combatants. It's both story and character done exceptionally well.
Hi Donna! -- I loved Casino Royale and Skyfall. I don't even remember the second movie, so it was probably awful ...
ReplyDeleteI love superhero movies. (I'm so looking forward to the reboot of Superman!) ... But I also agree, Michael Keaton nailed Batman for me. He was perfect, especially the first movie. And the over-arching epic storyline worked there -- and worked for ONE movie, which sometimes I think that storytellers get into the groove of telling an epic story over multiple movies, forgetting that we need a complete story EVEN if there is more than one movie planned. Joss Whedon recognizes this -- THE AVENGERS was epic storytelling and fully contained, while also bringing in the backstories in a completely believable and fluid way. I hadn't seen all the Marvel movies, but I didn't feel I'd missed anything.
Hi Kristopher -- thank you! I love the Seven Deadly Sin series and am currently writing Mortal Sin even though I don't have a publisher for it. It'll take me awhile to finish (since I have to meet my contractual deadlines) but I haven't forgotten the series. MORTAL SIN will be epic in storytelling because I want it to, essentially, complete the series while also keeping the possibility for the other four books I'd had planned. I'm just tweaking the structure for how the Sins are (or aren't) captured.
ReplyDeleteI have the first four Martin books -- I might read them if I ever have down time. I'm not a big fantasy reader (I generally navigate toward science fiction over fantasy), but I love good stories. ... Thanks for the heads up on the JJ Abrams book. I'll definitely put it on my radar!
Mary Jo -- to infinity and beyond! Which reminds me that Toy Story is my favorite Pixar movie. GREAT storytelling doesn't have to use real people!
ReplyDeleteLisa -- I didn't know there were boring parts in THE STAND! LOL. I think now ... the opening 150 pages meeting all the characters might be considered "slow" but I was so riveted. It's one of the few books I've read twice. I haven't seen HOMELAND ... kept meaning to, but I know I need to start at the beginning.
Hi Chris -- I think you hit something I didn't mention in my post -- that it's characters you care about, you WANT them to succeed because you know that whatever they're facing is monumental for them. And that's only achieved (our satisfaction at the end) if you have characters you can root for in the hands of someone who can tell a good story, either in print or at the movies.
Allison, the video has no spoilers at all, I promise. It's entitled "George, Write Like the Wind" and very cleverly exhorts Mr. Martin to "write and write faster -- Winter is Coming and I'm growing old," and to turn out "900 more pages of crack for the nerds."
ReplyDeleteWhile many of us are... chagrined (let's say, *grin*) that our favorite series authors don't publish more quickly, I think we can all appreciate this bit of gentle jabbing at "the great bearded glacier!"
God Allison, I love your books. Before I start drooling as I grovel, I'll just say this blog is genius and I'll bow out before I drown in my own slobber.
ReplyDeleteLOL Reine -- thank you so much! :)
ReplyDeleteAllison..oh, I so agree. The Stand is one of my favorite books ever. I actually--don;t tell--called in sick back in 1980 to stay home and read it!
ReplyDeleteHOpe you are selling PILEs of books..you are so terrific