RHYS BOWEN: Who watched the coronation of King Charles? I didn’t wake up in time for some of it, but I caught up later, and was really impressed. I love that whole pomp and circumstance feeling of traditions that are centuries old and still meaningful. I loved watching the crowds surging toward Buckingham Palace and seeing the king and queen consort come out onto the balcony. (I have to confess I have a hard time thinking of her as queen!) He had a rather bemused expression on his face, didn’t he? As if he couldn’t believe he was finally not only accepted by the public but loved.
Anyway, the one irritating thing about the coronation was reporters using the word “CORONATED.” That ‘s a made up word. The word is crowned. He was crowned king.
It drives me bonkers when people make a verb from a noun or use an excessively complicated word or saying for something that is simple. But it seems that we love to over-complicate language, presumably in the hope of sounding more educated. I remember Richard Nixon always saying “At this moment in time” when he meant NOW.
Same goes for “each and every” when you mean just every or all.
I shudder when newscasters say “Twenty four seven” meaning presumably all day long.
The Victorians were great at long, complicated words. Being more educated than us they knew latin. So the word for a little baby carriage on wheels was a PERAMBULATOR, meaning for the purpose of walking your child. (We have shortened it to a pram.)
The word for a carriage that could transport many people was an OMNIBUS (meaning, in Latin, for all). We call it a bus.
I could go on and on. “Parasol… to keep out sun. Umbrella… to provide shade. Telephone.. This one Greek, of course…far away sounds.
It seems ironic that at the same time as we are saying coronated the language is being whittled down by social media. Our teenagers can convey a sentence in a series of acronyms. BFF. LOL That’s about the extent of my vocabulary and my only emoji is a heart to my grandkids
The art of letter writing has been lost. We text in language pared down to the bare bones and reply with an emoji. I remember when I was in college my boyfriend wrote to me once a week (when we were in different countries.) I remember the heart giving a little leap of joy when I spotted that familiar handwriting in my cubby slot. We have letters John’s grandmother wrote to his father at school. Pages long, flowery and descriptive text. They finish, I remain, dear son, your loving mother, B Quin-Harkin. They had time on their hands in those days, didn’t they?
I've just remembered another irritating word. IRREGARDLESS. There is no such word. And a TV newscaster actually said OUTSIDE OF THE HOSPITAL. Grrrrrr.
So what words or phrases annoy you?
HANK PHILLIPPI RYAN: Oh, do NOT get me started. Looped in. Circled back. Reach out. As in: We reached out to them… Oh, I loathe that. You called them, you contacted them, you asked them, you emailed them, whatever. You did not reach out to them unless your arms were extended.
Impacted. Many people are impacted by..No no no no.
Gifted–as in, She gifted her a sweater. Gah.
There are a million of those. You know them. I will give you the fun of listing more!
Also! There’s a construction that TV people seem to be using, and I know it has a real name as a grammar error, but I can’t think of it.
It’s : ”The police, they told us the criminal had escaped.”
Or: “The trees, they turned out to be redwoods.”
Why not just say “The police told us the criminal had escaped”?
It drives me absolutely nuts.
It’s wrong, isn’t it?
GAH.
LUCY BURDETTE: I have only one to add and you’ve heard it before but it makes me twitch when a restaurant or book or music reviewer says: “It did not disappoint.”
What does that even mean? Did they love it? Was it marginal? It’s a dreadful backwards way of saying you liked something, if in fact that’s what was meant. Okay, back to my writing cave…
RHYS: I just had that on a review: Bowen and Broyles never disappoint. Not Bowen and Broyles are always great/terrific/awesome/wonderful/brilliant!
JENN McKINLAY: Mine is a simple one. I get crazy when people say “go” instead of “said”. Gah!!!!
RHYS: How about "then we all" instead of we said?
HALLIE EPHRON: I’m with Hank on “gifted” — ack. But there are some perfectly good words that drive me nuts. Plop. And giggle. And petite. Probably says more about me than those words.
RHYS: In my next book, just for Hallie: the petite girl plopped onto the sofa and giggled.
JULIA SPENCER-FLEMING: I teach “Technical Communications” at a local community college; a course that’s a combination of the old “Business Writing” and more modern social media/ video/ presentations/ meetings rules. I always pass on a piece of wisdom my mother, a multi-degreed English teacher, used to say to me: “Never use a $14 word with a fifty cent one will do.”
My personal nails-on-the-chalkboard? The passive voice. Or, as one wag dubbed it, The Exonerative Tense. “Mistake were made.” “A Pedestrian was Hit by a Car.” “A burglary suspect was shot and killed in an officer-involved shooting.” It’s a journalistic version of that old family Circle cartoon where the parent are trying to figure out who broke the cookie jar and all the kids say, “Not me!”
DEBORAH CROMBIE: "My bad," tops my personal nails-on-chalkboard list. My bad WHAT? Judgment? Idea? It's usually used sarcastically, when someone is not really sorry at all. And if you really are sorry or think you made a mistake, why not just say, "I'm sorry," or "I made a mistake?" I wonder who started this particular bit of grammatical awfulness…
RHYS: Your turn. Let's hear the words that make you want to scream or throw something at the TV!
I definitely agree . . . all of those are annoying. I’d add “should of/could of/would of” and, even though I know it’s considered correct, “over" in place of "more than" still makes me cringe.
ReplyDeleteDid you read that the dictionary (Webster?) has included IRREGARDLESS as a word now? So many people were using it they caved and added it.
ReplyDeleteSorry, didn’t mean to be anonymous. I met Celia the other day in the pool. My name is Ann Charlton.
ReplyDeleteYay, welcome Ann! No no no, to irregardless!
DeleteFrom Celia: hi Ann, I’m so glad you found JRW.
DeleteWhen did we start “reaching out?” That’s my current bitch.
ReplyDeleteI agree with what the Reds said above. I try to remember that our language is always changing, but I’ll continue to go kicking and screaming to the end.
My personal cringe is the misuse of “hopefully” in place of “I hope.”
And,Rhys, I watched the coronation from start to finish. I remembered also watching the last one, after the fact, on black and white TV. I’ve never missed a royal wedding either. Or funeral. And rarely miss the trooping of the colors. Love all the pomp
DeleteI must preface my remarks by my little mantra, "But it's language change in progress." Language changes. That's what it does. People come in contact with others. (To wit: the Germanic-rooted English language had a perfectly good set of words for things like church, house, meat. The French came along and overlaid cathedral, mansion, beef, which made it all sound fancier, bigger.) It's not "caving" (sorry, Ann C) when dictionaries reflect what people are saying. Accept the inevitable.
ReplyDeleteStill, commentator and coronator also drive me nuts, as does case marking falling away. Anybody else notice that nobody uses "who" except as a question word? They say, "the person that gave me the book," not "the person who..." (and you can just forget about "whom"). And what about losing "an" - "I ate a apple." Even REPORTERS do that.
But my biggest gripe is "around" for "about. "We're going to have a conversation around X" - and I want to scream. "About! You're going to talk ABOUT X."
Fanning myself. Rant off. For now.
Edith, You are right of course about how languages change over time and that's why we are NOT speaking exactly like they did in Shakespeare's time.
DeleteYes, irregardless is like nails on the chalkboard.
Also, being a Yank - I had no idea about the differences between the word coronation/cornated and crowned. So interesting! Either way, I love all the promp and circumstance too. I would have loved to have been in London to witness the coronation of the crowning of King Charles.
^ I'm sure I botched that!!
DeleteEdit, I am right there with you on "who." People who use it correctly - anywhere, including song lyrics - get bonus points.
DeleteYou are right, language does change. Some changes are harder to swallow that others, though - yes?
How about "most unique?" No, no, no. Destroys the meaning. Either it is "unique" (only one, no comparables) or it is "most unusual." There is another, creeping into common usage, that I am forgetting. Too early in AM. :-)
ReplyDeleteGlad you brought this up, Rhys: I agree with every one of your choices. As for "reach out" ever since I first heard it I have pictured that arm actually reaching out, and to this day I still see it.
ReplyDeleteI would add "root cause." Isn't "cause" sufficient? Another, which has got to the point that even I am confused more often than not. Miss-using "home" for "hone" and vice-versa. Knowing that language changes, as Edith has said, I expect both words will be listed in the dictionary as synonyms.
Arrgh! The reporters on TV who use "there's" for " there are." That is my biggest "No-o-o!" It is basic grammar. There ARE clouds, storms, etc. There ARE people. I end up correcting my TV.
ReplyDeleteThe other big one is less vs fewer. There may be less pie than there was, but there are fewer cookies. There are always fewer people. If there is less of you, you've lost weight.
Lastly we - us, I - me. Come on everyone. It just makes me shudder. The mistake of using "I" instead of "me" and vice verse, is usually made when people are talking about themselves and someone else. If you would say, "I went to the store," why would you say, "Him and me went to the store." ? If you would say, " He gave it to me," why would you say "He gave it to Sam and I."? Also, using "him" instead of "he" is just wrong.
I'm right there with you on the I/me thing, Judy. People have been paying me to write stuff since 1982, and I pay careful attention to the rules of grammar. So when I write, "Andrew was a big inspiration to Phil and me," and a musician--a man who has devoted nearly as many years to deciphering hemi-demi-semiquavers as I have to words--wants to correct me so I get it "right" . . . well. I try to be patient, but we both have our areas of expertise, and the I/me thing is not his.
DeleteSorry but this discussion is ridiculous! Worry about the fate of our country, save us from the fascists not the grammar ignorant. Concern about the content the media are reporting is very important! Grammar as a concern is not relevant, on one cares! This is a critical juncture in the future of our country, worry about your life in the USA, not indulgent grammar issues.
DeleteAnonymous, I would like to point out that every single author and reader on this blog has, at various times, expressed their concern and worries over issues concerning this country. Worries, fears, hopes, actions. Here at JRW, we also share moments when we can be free of those worries and have our days lightened--if only for a moment--in the fellowship of this singular, wonderful, community.
DeleteWho left the back door open?
DeleteGreat response, Flora. — Pat S.
DeleteThank you, Flora! Thank you, Ann (lol, snort).
DeleteJRW is where I come every morning to laugh, cry, kvetch, and communicate (ha) with a group of people who have become my friends! FRIENDS!
Broke your toe? Come for sympathy. Need to have your tonsils out? Come for support. Husband left the dishes in the sink for two days? Plot his demise ( snicker.) See too much of that orange haired #@&%*? Rant here.
I love ❤️, love ❤️, love this blog!!
Thank you, Flora! Well said. And thank you; Judy, too. After breakfast with the NY Times-not exactly a relaxing start to the day - a few lighter moments with this smart and caring group is good for the soul.
DeleteTriss, XXOO
DeleteSo this has come a social club for you and your “friends”? Not really the purpose of the blog. Given the current political environment you will excuse me but discussions about grammar are tedious and not relevant, might I say boring. I shut the door behind me. Lol!
DeleteAnonymous- this is a writer’s blog. Words are our tools. Words can also manipulate reality. Phrases like “collateral damage” can pollute our language and souls. I agree with Edith that language changes over time but refuse to believe that language is irrelevant to politics or social causes.
DeleteIt is my comment right above: Clare Broyles
DeleteI was raised by a mom who policed our grammar regardless (not irregardless) of the situation, so I cringe frequently. Nouns are being turned into verbs at an alarming rate. Flout and flaunt are routinely messed up. Someone in a management position wrote "should of" in a professional email. Some rules are a lost cause. My mom was a stickler for using "lie" and "lay" correctly and "as" and "like". Those distinctions have gone into the dustbin of time. I have heard radio reporters say, "Him and his friend went..." Even my son will say, "Me and Danny did something. " His grandma would not be amused.
ReplyDeleteHowever, as you point out, Rhys, language is always changing. Old ways of speaking disappear and new practices come into being. So I take deep breaths and try to remind myself of that fact. Studying Spanish as a second language has also made me humble. I make mistakes all the time!
The new phrase making the talking-head rounds - “top of mind.”
ReplyDeleteThat is such a funny expression! I picture a head with something perched on top.
DeleteFrom Celia: Well written Rhys and Reds. The top of my list is on Triss’s list too - unique. I have a few more only they are not coming to mind right now thank good ness.
ReplyDeleteThe phrases "With that being said" or "Having said that" really annoys me. Can't they use "However" instead?
ReplyDeleteYes! Another pet peeve born on cable news, along with “going forward” instead of “in the future.”
DeleteThank you, Grace! This one is very annoying! For the past couple of hours I’ve been trying to remember this one. It’s chalk on the blackboard for me.
DeleteDebRo
DEB RO: I hear these phrases used every day on the news programs I watch. So annoying!
DeleteI am likely one of the miscreants misusing language. Grammar has always been a problem for me. I know others too -- diagnosed with receptive-expressive language disorder, for whom the complexities of the English language are daunting. They do the best they can.
ReplyDeleteRhys -- your grandmother's letter reminds me of a talk I attended about Civil War soldiers. The speaker had access to some soldiers' letters home. One soldier began all his letters with "I take my pen in hand..." as if he had all the time in the world. Perhaps so. Perhaps there were periods of much waiting. But still, no one would take the time today.
I pick up my pen and write, hoping this finds you as it leaves me at present. This was a favorite opening statement in Victorian Times. ( From Rhys)
DeleteHaha! Rhys, that is very beautiful, almost like watching a movie.
DeleteLove this, Rhys!
DeleteI love comparing Victorian writing to modern day - frankly, it's a hoot. There is one meme floating around out there where a modern day writer describes a character as "He was boring" compared to a Victorian writer who would write "His countenance was bland, his hair the color of ash. He spoke of nothing remarkable, mostly just the weather." I am paraphrasing. Their version was so much better but you get the gist. Hilarious.
DeleteExcept for the scenic descriptions, Jenn. Ten pages on the moors! Just make it stop.
DeleteThat reminds me. I saw two people having an argument about Hemingway novels. One person was annoyed that Hemingway wrote four pages about Spaghetti. LOL
DeleteDiana
Words that annoy me:
ReplyDeleteAny adverb without the ‘ly’. I know I should give up on this because it seems to be the way now, but I always add it in my head when reading or listening.
A ton – a ton of flavour, a ton of people, a ton of whatever (and also ‘whatever’). Ton is a weight measure.
‘the conversation’ – join us in the conversation – seems to be the current up and coming thing to say.
There is another word that is escaping my memory that in Canadian is said one way, and in British has several extra syllables not seen in the spelling. I hear it all the time in audiobooks. Discombobulated – there it is.
Then there is ‘amazing’, ‘literally’ (for anyone who watches Coronation St, watch Roy sometime. His character despises this word’s misuse, and he often mumbles under his breath about it.), ‘OMG’, and that list just goes on and on. I suggest that we go back to learning English/literature in schools so that kids will learn more words to use in their language, not just the slang from tv and twitter.
As for letters and personal writing – we have a collection of letters written from my grandparents to their 3 boys – boys were in university, and it was WW2. We also have a medley of letters from my parents to the three of us and back again, as well as various additions from other family members. In the beginning letters were written by putting 5 onion skin papers with 4 carbon sheets in the typewriter and typing. As our kids became older, they would add their paragraph. Later this was done on the computer and emailed to all. Letters were begun in each house on Sunday and were usually a load of drivel about what was going on in respective lives. I doubt anyone will ever read them again, but they may be an insight in history to life at the time. Unfortunately, after we moved back with my parents (2003) the practice stopped and now that our kids have kids – well apparently, they can only make contact with their thumbs and that is not savable!
In 2009, I inherited from my elderly aunt a three-foot stack of letters written between 1878 and 1974 by members of my father’s family. Lots of onionskin and carbon copying and V-mail. I read them all and took notes during a second reading. In 2012, during my dad’s last months, I read them aloud, each penned by a person he deeply loved - parents, grandparents, siblings, wife. He said it was the best life review he could have imagined….
DeleteKatherine, this is beautiful!!
DeleteDebRo
Self-proclaimed grammar nerds who frequently misplace their I's and me's. There are several among younger family members. They frequently like to correct/gently amuse themselves at grammatical mistakes made by others. And yes, language is a living construct, but there's no excuse for laziness. The plague upon us of 'your' and 'you're' and 'their, there, they're'. Those words have specific meanings--it's not that hard to use them to clarify a thought.
ReplyDeleteFlora, I think this may be more of the curse of voice-to-text or predictive text when using a phone. I can't tell you how often I've had to go back and correct "your" to "you're" or sort out one of the "there"s. I'm too finicky NOT too, but I understand why youngsters just type and let it fly.
DeleteYes! When I am typing a question "Were...." and autocorrect changes it to We're as in We are!
DeleteDiana
Autocorrect! A blessing and a curse. Diana, worse yet when it changes someone's name! Gah!
DeleteIt's irritating when people use "this" without a noun.
ReplyDeleteI get extremely confused when I'm reading about someone and instead of referring to the individual as she/he, uses the pronoun they to refer to one's binary status. When I read something like, "Jamie entered the room. They carried groceries to the kitchen."
Wait! there is no one else around - so I go back several pages looking for the other people I think they are referring to. Ugggh!
Anon, I had to train myself away from "he or she," which of course is how I learned to speak and write when the individual's gender is unknown. But now I've become accustomed to using "they" instead, I like it a lot. It's more flexible and less cumbersome.
DeleteWait...where's my comment? I hadn't even finished writing it, let alone posting it. All that pithy, feisty prose I created just...vanished.
ReplyDeleteI had so much to say on this subject. I was on a roll. But sadly, now I just feel at a loss for words.
Sigh....
So there's a word that needs to be invented for our digital age, Susan. The feeling you have when you've composed a comment or email or Facebook post and it just... vanishes. "Frustrating" doesn't quite cover it!
DeleteThe principal where I worked always said irregardless and the rest of us mocked him for it.
ReplyDeleteI can’t stand when the weatherman says shovelable when talking about the amount of snow in the forecast.
And, I may be wrong on this one but, “We are sending you well wishes.” Please just say, “We wish you well.”
I won’t start on grammar usage errors.
"Have a good one" always irks me. You can't finish the sentence??
ReplyDeleteJudy, I am super guilty of this! I'll have to work on something less, ah, dangling.
DeleteAnother phrase that annoys me is "Same to you" when I take the time to say "Happy Holidays" or "Merry Christmas" or "Have a wonderful day".
DeleteDiana
I am annoyed when the press picks up a phrase, then overuses it until I want to scream. These phrases have their seasons--their fifteen minutes of fame?--then appear to be banished from the newsroom. I haven't been listening to a lot of broadcast news recently, but I remember getting extremely tired of "political football" many years ago and, yes, "fifteen minutes of fame." Cut it out, people. You're writers! Stop relying on somebody else's cute catchphrase.
ReplyDeleteFor a while everything was "epic". Drove me nuts.
DeleteThe problem is that many of them are not the author of their content. They read what is given to them.
DeleteThe Exonerative Tense! Yes, exactly.
ReplyDeleteAll of the above. It's exhausting, and I am already overwhelmed by all the other, equally exhausting events of the world at the moment. My most recent word horror is the overuse of the word "hack". A handy tip is nothing like a hack, which implies McGyver-level fiddling to make something work differently.
Gigi, here's to more creative uses of language.
Oh, SO agree. A handy tip is NOT a hack. I think a hack is ONLY breaking into a computer thing.
DeleteKaren, I think the verb "to McGyver" has been an excellent addition to American English, as it perfectly describes that high-level fiddling-with.
DeleteLOVE reading these!
ReplyDeleteHow about--"she's written over 30 books." No no no!
ReplyDeleteI don't think I ever noticed this one, Hank, and now I will. Um...thanks? LOL.
DeleteSo glad that you brought up the Coronation of King Charles III. I watched part of it, until the closed captioning read "The Enthronement". and he sat in a brocaded chair.. and I thought' that is not a throne, I am missing something here'... and I went back to sleep. Reading further I have learned that the two words enthronement and coronation are interchangeable.. apparently the newscasters didn't use the enthronement on the air due to it being controversial. So did they? was closed captioning being subversive?
ReplyDeleteThanks in advance for clearing this up for me.
Coralee, it might be because I have too much of a sweet tooth, but "enthronement" translated to "enrobement" in my head and all I could imagine was a delicious chocolate-covered king.
DeleteI hear so many expressions on TV that irritate me. Orientate. What is wrong with orient? Could care less rather than couldn't care less. I flinch when I see "plated" as in she plated the food. That just sounds wrong. Maybe they plate food in commercial kitchens but in someone's home? There is the misuse of I/me. She gave John and I a book. I think people started to misuse "I" because it sounds more sophisticated than "me." Me and John got a book. Once upon a time your teacher would have scolded you for making "me" the subject. That's my theory. And, finally, thoughts and prayers. Nice sentiment but so overused.
ReplyDeleteThoughts and prayers for your irritants, Pat... :-)
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DeleteI love this! Almost afraid to comment, though :). Coronate drove me crazy, wasn't sure whether to expect a band or a king! What a fun post.
ReplyDeleteKait: or a Cornetto - a delicious ice cream and pastry treat!
DeleteI think "irregardless" actually made it to the OED because it was used so much. The entry says, "Not preferred," but yes, nails on the chalkboard. Break it down etymylogically and it doesn't make sense.
ReplyDeleteThe one that currently makes me grit my teeth is one I hear constantly at work: unnecessary use of the word back, as in. "revert back," "reply back," "return back." Just...stop! Argh!
Ah, the old flammable and inflammable/ raveled and unraveled debate!
DeleteFor me, it's a phrase in a book. "I let out a breath I didn't know I was holding." Since you breath without thinking, you have to consciously hold your breath. This makes no sense.
ReplyDeleteMark, that reminds me of "He turned pale," which I confess, I think I may have used myself. It's a useful shorthand - except how many times in your life have you actually ever seen someone turn pale? (Up here in the Northeast, it would be hard to tell from our usual October-to-May paleness, anyway!)
DeleteMark and Julia,
DeleteI have seen the phrase "he paled". I do not recall seeing "He turned pale" in a book.
Diana
Hank, your example of “the police, they told us…” takes me back to elementary school. My teacher would interrupt a student who said, “My friend, he ran away “ by asking, “Did your friend have two heads? Why did you say ‘my friend’ AND ‘he’?” Other grammar atrocities have already been listed (that for a person instead of who/whom, should of vs should have, me and him, etc.) and I fear I will make my own if I continue! However, I am reassured by the number of comments today that I am with “my people” here at JRW. —Pat S
ReplyDeleteMany of the commentators here appear to have a lot of free time. Perhaps it would be better spent volunteering to teach or tutor grammar in a local school.
ReplyDelete"Gifted" (as in "He gifted me a book") has already been mentioned, so I'll add "shared" in place of "said" as my particular bugbear. I had to put up with a principal at my daughter's school who would say things like "you shared that you are concerned about x and y." It set my teeth on edge.
ReplyDeleteTherapy-speech has crept into many, many areas of modern life, Catherine!
DeleteRHYS, Isn't the English language interesting? I am always learning new words and phrases.
ReplyDeleteThere is something that I noticed recently. I remember "Valley Girl" slang when I was in high school.
However, when I watch current movies on streaming TV (I presume some people really say this in real life?), the sentence would have "like" in the sentence and it does not make sense to me. Why use this word? Growing up, my understanding was that word Like would be in a sentence such as "I like dogs" or "I like to swim". Now the word "Like" has a different context? The character would say "like, I am...." and that throws me off.
Someone mentioned "bad is used to mean good"? That is another thing that does not make sense to me. I know one word if it is a word that really annoys me - "Hey". If someone said "Hey " to me, I would be looking around for a horse. LOL
Diana
In the political realm, to "primary someone" is one that drives me just wild. And Hank, there is one context in which "impacted" is probably acceptable, if you are talking about teeth, but other than that, I agree, it is wrong, wrong and wrong.
ReplyDeleteIRREGARDLESS drives me insane. I have a friend who says it to me at least once a day. Even though I have corrected him several times. Another one is HAVE A GOOD ONE. Have a good one what? I hope they mean day, but why not say HAVE A GOOD DAY?
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ReplyDeletehow about the new response to ‘thank you’ -of course. Others that are particularly annoying—iconic,
awesome, amazing, him and I, between you and I. (have heard the last two spoken by both radio
and television broadcasters)
If the other anonymous does not appreciate the trivial pursuit of correct grammar, there are many
other blogs that might fulfill the need to address world issues, frequently with less than erudite
contributors.
I have been watching a British series in which the viewer is able to watch real interactions between doctors and their patients. The patients are not sick, they are unwell and they don’t have potentially serious diseases, they have symptoms that may lead to something sinister.
ReplyDeleteI so loved this whole discussion. I agree with all the pet peeves and can’t really add anything new. But thanks to everyone for such an enjoyable read.
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