Sunday, August 27, 2023

Mark Pryor on Strong Women in Fiction

DEBORAH CROMBIE: First, a REDS alert! Five of us (so disappointed that Julia and Hallie can't make it) will be attending Bouchercon next week in San Diego, and we'd love to have a get-together with the REDs community. We'll be in the hotel lobby at 9 on Friday morning, so do come by for a chat!

Now, for today's guest, Mark Pryor has some thoughts on creating strong female characters in historical fiction. (And we are very flattered to be mentioned!)


Mark Pryor: The wonderful women who run this blog and write the books that we devour style themselves as "smart and sassy," which is absolutely true. Thing is, I've met most of them and they are so much more. The words "strong," "intelligent," "independent," and "charismatic" are just some of the descriptors I would add.

The same is true for so many of the writers that they feature on their blog, and that's one of the many reasons I'm a fan and have bugged them (more than once) to be a part of their literary world. That's always been my world, I think -- growing up, I was surrounded by strong women and I like having them in my life, they make the world richer, more diverse, and just more interesting.

Which is why, when creating my new Henri Lefort series, I ran into an unexpected problem. You see, the eleven novels I published prior to the first Henri book (called DIE AROUND SUNDOWN, below) were all set in the modern world, whereas Henri is operating in Paris, in 1940.

 


This means that with my first eleven books, if I wanted a detective, prosecutor, diplomat, or politician to be a woman, I could happily invent that. And did so, many times. In my Hugo Marston series, two of the leading (and strongest) characters are women.

But history, as it turns out, was not good to women when it came to power, prestige, and jobs. I mean, duh, right?! But this was not something I'd thought deeply about before as a writer, partly because of the modern setting of my books, but no doubt also partly because of my gender.

So when I was creating this new series, I was flummoxed, baffled, and bamboozled as to how I could include believable strong female characters in a book set in Paris in 1940.

And that's where reading came in. You know reading, that thing we all long to do more of, that thing that leads us to buy three more books when we already have 23 waiting for our attention. Some people also call it research, but I prefer to stick with reading, especially because history is itself so fascinating.

 Anyway, I was reading about Paris in the 1930s and 1940s when I came across the name of a woman I'd never heard before: Princess Marie Bonaparte. Obviously, I'd heard of her great- great- uncle, of course, Napoleon himself. But Marie? Not at all. And yet it turned out that she was an incredibly intelligent, ambitious, and utterly fascinating character in her own right. She became a student of Sigmund Freud, then his friend, and then helped him escape the Nazis. She had all manner of theories about women's sexuality, and generally took no guff from anyone, men especially. What's not to love?

I read the biography about her and I ended up shaping a crucial part of DIE AROUND SUNDOWN around Marie Bonaparte (or "Mimi" as the characters call her). Her psychological interests, life experience, and the strength of her personality helped me unlock and reveal the major plot revelation at the end of the book. And throughout the novel, having the tension between Henri, a strong character of his own, and a woman as independent and smart as he ever was, I think adds both tension and depth to the story.

In the second book, THE DARK EDGE OF NIGHT, which came out two weeks ago, I kept Mimi as a major character but also went looking for another woman from the history books to add to the mix. 

 


While reading about the Second World War I found Virginia Hall, an American one-legged spy who was cleverer and braver than just about anyone in her world. So after reading A WOMAN OF NO IMPORTANCE, a book I recommend to everyone now, I made sure to work her into the plot. She provides a touch of romance, a smidgeon of humor, and generally speaking more color and depth than if I'd not included her.

So now a question: when you're reading books, historical fiction or otherwise, do you notice or care about the demographics of the characters? Do you agree that a story is more interesting if it contains the inherently varied perspective of non-(white) male characters? Until writing these two novels I don't know if I'd even been aware of this issue, so I'm fascinated to learn what people think.

I mean, come on: Deborah Crombie as an arch villain? Who wouldn't love to see that...?!

DEBS: Mark, I once had an editor tell me that I was too "nice" to write crime fiction (not meant as a compliment!) so I would love to be a villian! Also, I loved Mimi and can't wait to meet Virginia! 

Here's more about THE DARK EDGE OF NIGHT.

Paris Detective Henri Lefort is about to investigate the murder of a Parisian when the occupying Germans order him to find a missing person – an SS doctor recently arrived from the Fatherland. Irritated (because one missing Nazi isn’t nearly enough in Henri’s mind), he does both jobs, and adds a third task when he starts looking into the disappearance of local children.

His prowess as a detective, and his smart mouth, don’t endear him to the Germans and while tracking down leads he uncovers some truths the Nazis would rather stay hidden. But once Henri sets out to do a job he does it, though he’s clever enough to know that the trap he sets for the killer has to be foolproof. So, with the help of a whip-wielding dominatrix, a French princess, and several members of the Resistance he unravels all three mysteries, which are connected in a finale that NYT best-seller Jeffrey Deaver (author of THE BONE COLLECTOR) called “genius.”



Mark Pryor is the author of the Henri Lefort series set in Paris in the 1940s. The first, DIE AROUND SUNDOWN, was published in August 2022 and the second, THE DARK EDGE OF NIGHT, on August 15, 2023. Mark is also the author of the Hugo Marston series, set in Paris, London, and Barcelona. And he has two books set in Austin, HOLLOW MAN and DOMINIC.

Away from books Mark is a retired prosecutor, and now a partner at a criminal defense firm in Austin, Texas. He began his career as a journalist in England, where his beat was also crime-related - the police blotter. He is a guest analyst on CourtTV and he has appeared on CBS News' 48 Hours, NBCs' Dateline, and Discovery Channel's Discovery ID: Cold Blood.


44 comments:

  1. Congratulations, Mark, on your new series and your new book . . . “The Dark Edge of Night” sounds amazing; I’m definitely looking forward to reading it . . . .

    When I’m reading historical fiction, I appreciate that the demographics of the characters are accurately reflective of that time in history, but if I had my choice, we’d have stories with varied characters/perspectives and everyone [and their thoughts and ideas] would be important . . . .

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    1. Thank you Joan, I hope you like it. I agree, the characters have to reflect the age, anything else would be weird. Or... Napoleon himself brought back to life for WW2...?! OK, maybe not!

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  2. Welcome to the Reds, Mark. I love those women you discovered and look forward to exploring them in your novels. I'm a big fan of historical fiction, and had fun tucking in my town's abolitionist Quaker poet, John Greenleaf Whitter, as a character in my Quaker Midwife Mysteries. I say bring on the diversity in characters - we all know it was there.

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    1. Hi Edith, thank you! Agree, totally awesome group of women. Hoping I get to hang with them next weekend in San Diego!

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  3. MARK: Yes, I enjoy reading a book with a diversity of characters, and different age ranges. Recently, there have been several excellent contemporary series with older characters: Richard Osman's Thursday Murder Club, Cindy Dees' Helen Warwick thrillers with a "retired" female CIA assassin. JRW's RHYS has great leads in her historical standalones.

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  4. Hi Mark, thanks for the kind words about the Reds. I look forward to both of these books. I'm wondering how exactly you transpose the real people into characters such as Marie and Virginia? ps, debs would make a great villain because no one would suspect her:)

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    1. Thanks Lucy - so I try to make them appear as they were, Virginia with her strong personality and wooden foot, same with Marie (minus wooden foot!). I think it's O to imagine conversations and interactions, as long as you don't go too far afield from who they were.

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    1. Thanks, April - fellow Texan?! :0)

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  6. Congratulations Mark! Your books sound great! I do enjoy reading books with diverse characters and thinking about how their backgrounds and identities affect their work and relationships.

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    1. Thank you Gillian - glad you agree, the exploration of all kinds of personalities is what makes this writing gig so fun.

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  7. Debs, thanks for bringing Mark Pryor back to JRW. Irwin and I both loved the Hugo Marsden series. I have been aware of the new series for the last year but haven't brought it home yet. On TBR list now!

    Mark, so great to hear more about your new series. I do love historical fiction and like to see real people from that time included, but only if it makes sense for them to be in that place and time, doing things they would have done. If you are familiar with James Benn's Billy Boyle WWII mysteries, he frequently has cameos by the famous and infamous. They always appear in character, doing the things they were known to do. I love that aspect of his stories.

    I have become more aware of diversified points of view in all my reading choices recently. Works by authors of color and authors with Asian and Hispanic backgrounds have been coming to the top of my TBR pile/list faster than they used to do. It is definitely a conscious decision. And, although I am not varying my choice of genres very much, I am experiencing vastly different points of view. So Mark, yeah!

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    1. Hi Judy - wonderful to be back with the JRW crew. And I have an idea for the next Hugo, so hang tight! I love James Benn's series, absolutely! He's so good at melding real people with his stories, I agree and recommend anyone who's not tried his book to do so.

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  8. Congratulations, Mark on your new series! And Welcome back to JRW! I remember when there was a JRW post about you and The Paris Librarian then I met you at the Bouchercon in Toronto and you signed a book that you wrote, You seemed to understand me despite my Deaf accent.

    To answer your questions, the demographics of the characters interest me. I think that diversity among the population makes the story interesting. However, if the story is full of stereotypes like certain novels written in the 1930s, then no thank you. If it was written in the 1930s, then I can keep that in mind that society was different in comparison to 2023.

    Here is another Strong Woman for you. Princess Alice of Battenberg, who was also Princess Andrew of Greece. During the Second World War, she sheltered a Jewish family in her house and she protected them from the Nazis. Because of her bravery, she received the highest honour from Israel and I think her grave is in Israel.

    There have been many Strong Women in History, especially during the First and Second World Wars. For Christmas one year, I received MAISIE DOBBS and MR. CHURCHILL'S SECRETARY (the first Maggie Hope novel). I think that all of the JRWs wrote about Strong Women in their novels.

    Diana

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    1. Mark, while Maisie and Maggie are fictional characters, I have known and real women who are like Maisie and Maggie.

      Diana

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    2. Diana - if you're at Bouchercon this year (next weekend!) come find me and say hello. I didn't know about Princess Alice, I'll have to read about her and maybe include her. Fun! Talking of strong women in WW2, I recently say A Bright Light on streaming TV about Miep Gies hiding Anne Frank. Beautiful story.

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  9. Thank you, Mark, for being an ally. Many in your situation 1) would not have noticed, and 2) would not have done the work to address it. Looking forward to diving into this series.
    And yay for Friday morning! Just confirming, this is the main hotel lobby, not the ballroom lobby?

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    1. Lisa, thank you and you're welcome! If you dive in, I hope you enjoy. And maybe I'll crash the JRW gathering, I want to see them all too!

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  10. As long as the characters reflect the time and place, then I don't pay any attention to demographics. Looking forward to Henri's exploits!

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    1. Flora - absolutely, they have to fit the reality of time and place, which part of the beauty of inserting real people because by definition they fit, right?!

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  11. I saw that there's a documentary on Netflix (?) about Hedy Lamar, who apparently did all sorts of interesting things. Going to check that out!

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    1. Definitely a strong woman! I watched that documentary.

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    2. Oooh, I didn't know about that documentary Debs, will have to check that out!

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  12. Sadly, I have a meeting Friday morning at Bouchercon, so I won't be able to meet up in the lobby, but if you see me around, do say hello!

    Congratulations on your new release, Mark! I can't wait to read about Virginia - I love that you have strong female protagonists! I do pay attention to demographics - because I have always lived in very diverse communities I find it unrealistic if stories are driven by GWM (generic white men) and also rather boring. LOL.

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    1. Perhaps afternoon tea on Friday afternoon after your Interview and book signing with Kate? Thinking it would be cool to meet for Afternoon Tea with JRW?

      Diana

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    2. Hi Jenn, thank you - ugh, a book filled with GWM, no thank you (even if I am one... maybe especially because I am one!). Hope to bump into you next weekend!

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  13. A WOMAN OF NO IMPORTANCE is an astonishing book! I, too, highly recommend it.

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    1. I've just ordered it--it sounds amazing!

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    2. Me too, Deborah. Elisabeth

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    3. You will be be awed and amazed, for sure!

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  14. Mark will be with us this afternoon--he's traveling this morning--so be sure to come back later today!

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    1. Thanks for being patient, I had a signing in San Antonio and on the way home my kids challenged me to a go-kart race at Circuit of the Americas, and since the twins are off to college I couldn't say no!

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  15. Hi Mark! I absolutely love Henri LeFort. A smart man with a smart mouth. I think historical fiction is more interesting when real characters appear as themselves. Mimi is a great addition, as is Virginia. I can't wait to see who pops into Henri's world next.

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    1. Hi Pat! I am so thrilled to hear this, thank you so much! Henri is so fun to write, he has the smart mouth I'm not allowed in real life! Thanks so much for reading, I really appreciate it. :)

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  16. Thanks for introducing me to Mark and his books. The two historical mysteries sound fascinating, and I can’t wait to read them as soon as I finish the selection for my September book club. What a dilemma!
    Hope y’all have a wonderful time in San Diego.

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    1. Lece, I hope you get a chance to try Henri's fun (but dangerous) world. I'm like you, always a few (hundred?!) books on the nightstand waiting for me to get through them. A fun dilemma!

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  17. Oh, a signed copy of THE DARK EDGE OF NIGHT just arrived at our door yesterday from Poisoned Pen, and my husband and I are..negotiating..about who gets it first.
    And your very wise essay reminds me of a writing student I had who was writing about the American Revolutionary. After reading his chapters, I said: you know, there's no diversity in this whatsoever, and hardly any women. ANd he said: well, there wasn't diversity then, was there? And women stayed home.
    Um.
    So we persevere. "All" we have to do is keep it top of mind, and then the opportunities arise.
    Cannot wait to read this!


    And, oh Bouchercon. I will try to be there Friday morning, too, you all...BUT Forge is having a signing Friday AM in the hospitality room (free books! hint hint) and I am scheduled to be there starting at 8:30...so depends on how long the books last.

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    1. I'm flattered, Hank! I can't say I plan on picking sides in the negotiation, though... ;)

      I just think that the world is a better and more interesting place with diverse people able to live and love as themselves. It's not about being woke or politically correct, it's about recognizing people for who they are and were, and letting the light shine on people who previously had to be their brilliant selves in the shadows.

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    2. Mission accepted, Hank! We will swarm the signing so you can leave on time.

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  18. If you're looking for strong French women of the 20th century, you might check out Nadia Boulanger, a composer, conductor, and teacher of many of the great (male) composers of her era, including Aaron Copland. A good friend of Igor Stravinsky. She helped many of her students escape the Nazis before slipping off to America herself. Unlike many French expats, she returned to Paris after the war and helped with the reconstruction. She died in 1979 at the age of 92, apparently kicking butt all the way. I've enjoyed your previous books, but this new series sneaked past me. I'll have to catch up!

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    1. Gigi, Nadia Boulanger (cool name!) sounds fascinating, thank you for letting me know about her! I hope there's a book on her, I'll look and see. If you pick up my new series, you'll notice a character with your name - not a nice character, sorry about that, but I wanted to warn you!!

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