Tuesday, August 29, 2023

THE BUTTERFLY CAGE: an interview with Rachel Zemach

JULIA SPENCER-FLEMING: We're just a few days from September, Deaf Awareness month, and we have a wonderful guest to kick it off for us. Diana Todd, a/k/a Bibliophile, is a long-time commentor here who is also part of the Deaf community. She offered to interview Rachel Zemach about her critically-acclaimed memoir, THE BUTTERFLY CAGE.

Diana and Rachel are also giving one lucky commentor the chance to win a signed copy of THE BUTTERFLY CAGE. Thank you, Diana!

 

DIANA TODD: So excited to introduce Rachel Zemach here on Jungle Red Writers blog.  Rachel was living in England with her sisters and parents, themselves authors and illustrators of children's books, when she suddenly lost her hearing at the age of 10.  She learned Sign Language at school in America after her family moved back to the States. She has written a memoir, THE BUTTERFLY CAGE, about her experiences as a Deaf teacher in a Deaf classroom at a public school.  

Welcome, Rachel!

Your poignant memoir, The Butterfly Cage is about your experiences teaching Deaf children at a public school and at a residential school where all of the students are Deaf.

How did you come up with the title "The Butterfly Cage"?

 

Rachel:  I was looking for a title, and I had just written two chapters:  one titled "Blood" and one (that I later deleted), that had a description of a time in my classroom when we had some butterflies hatch from caterpillars then released them. To our surprise, when they first came out of their cocoons, we saw spots of blood.  We thought they were hurt, but it was a natural part of their growth process.

The title "Butterflies and Blood" suddenly hit me and I was excited.  The beauty and tragedy combination reminded me of my experiences in Deaf Education.  Though there were mixed reactions to the title.  While some loved the title, others hated it and I eventually changed it to "The Butterfly Cage".  The metamorphosis the butterflies go through is like my students learning American Sign Language. The "cage" is the mainstream school.  The title fits better and sounds less like a horror flick.

 

What kind of challenges, besides the lack of American Sign Language interpreters, did you face since publishing your memoir?

 

Rachel:  Oh my goodness. The hard part is hiring a publicist or a book marketer who knows about book marketing AND who knows the world of the Deaf community. (It’s icons, values, major institutions, and resources).  I have not been able to find that, so either I work with hearing people, who have no knowledge of Deaf Culture, or Deaf people who have limited experience with marketing.  For me hearing publicist, fighting for me, and for my friends in the Deaf community to have access, including when I am on the radio, is a new experience.   It is a steep learning curve for outsiders.  

Another tricky issue is deciding whether or not to use my voice.  I do not want to alienate Deaf people but I do not want to rely on an interpreter to voice for me either. The ability to speak is a privilege for sure, but the decision of whether to do that does not come lightly at all.  I myself had the gut punch experience of seeing someone I’d always signing, suddenly speaking with their mouth.  It is a disconcerting and alienating feeling.  

 

A recurring theme in your memoir is about ableism.  Can you tell us a bit about that?  

 

Rachel: I loved that quote "I read books, not lips" by Brendan Stern, that you shared with me.  

 First, there is the unconscious assumption that speech, hearing devices, and being mainstreamed in hearing classes makes the person smarter and better somehow than if they sign and are in a Deaf class, or proudly Deaf-identified.  

Second, that same assumption is applied to Deaf staff members.

Third, is the lack of accountability the Administration and staff have with evaluating problems.   The assumption is always that being Deaf, or knowing ASL is the problem.  When in reality, the root causes are language deprivation due to families not being encouraged and required to learn ASL early on in their child's infancy. Also, poor quality of education, and the dearth of Deaf teachers in public, mainstream schools, which 85% of our students attend.

 

Speaking of families, I read about a couple who found out their baby was Deaf before it was born.  The hearing couple decided to learn ASL before the child was born, and they also made friends with other Deaf people.

 Rachel: WOW, that’s fantastic!

 

As a Deaf Author, what have you learned since you published your memoir in April 2023?  

 

Rachel: I have learned that marketing is a full time job!  It is totally worth it, just like all of the work writing the book was.  Also, do not write a book with the expectations of making money.  There are other rewards, including stunningly passionate and powerful letters from readers telling me how my book impacted them.  One feels more connected to the human race, in very positive ways.  

As a Deaf Author, I learned that the Deaf community are absolute champs about spreading the word about my book.  Even though I wrote the book for hearing people, I held firm to my principles.  When hearing editors wanted to remove the Deaf POV, I refused to do that.  It's always been clear to me that if my book did not earn the respect of the Deaf people— whom I respect—then I would not have done my job. I treasure their opinions.

 

You are organizing a dinner party.  Which writers, dead or alive, would you invite?

 

Rachel: Wow.  Tears sprang to my eyes at this question.  All of your questions are great.  My answer is not hard.  Paddy Ladd, Mary Karr, Mark Drolsbaugh, Ayelet Waldman, Sara Novic, Michael Chabon, Joyce Maynard, Jason Rezaian, Raymond Carver and Anne Lamott. And there are many more! I would also invite an ASL interpreter (or two).  I would also like to invite all of my brilliant Deaf and Deaf-adjacent friends who want to, or have started, writing their own books.  I want everyone to write books now, especially those who can help get the word out about the Deaf experience; to help hearing people understand what it is and what it is not.  

One word of warning about this dinner though:  I am not much of a cook.

 

THE BUTTERFLY CAGE

Joy, heartache, and corruption: Teaching while Deaf in a California public school

This book is tender, funny, surprising, and disruptive. You'll be a fly on the wall in a Deaf classroom in a public school, watching a Deaf teacher struggle with staff, administration, and aides who sabotage the teachers at every turn. You’ll also see the children struggle with a principal who removes their textbooks, a vindictive, power-hungry speech therapist, and a system that leaves them defenseless against it.

You'll also meet a language-hungry boy who will capture your heart and run away with it and the political, fiercely intelligent elite members of the Deaf community who rally to change legislation after his life takes a shocking turn. Learn from these true stories of individual students and their quirky, fallible teacher, what the deepest feelings and dilemmas of Deaf and hard of hearing people are, and why 90% of our students around the country are being unnecessarily set up for failure.

Rachel Zemach was hearing for half of her childhood, until an accident left her Deaf at age ten.  But it was not until later, over a ten year period when she taught Deaf classes at a hearing public school, that she began to identify as Deaf with a capital D.  Rachel Zemach's parents were also authors and illustrators of children's books. 

 

You can find Rachel's memoir, The Butterfly Cage here. You can find out more about Rachel at her website, you can friend her on Facebook, follow her on Twitter as @rachel_zemach and enjoy her Instagram posts at @mezemach.

80 comments:

  1. Congratulations, Rachel on your book . . . it’s definitely a must-read for me. Although my experiences with the deaf community are somewhat limited [a local church where the deaf and hearing members worship together and being a member of a sign language choir at a church in California], I am somewhat familiar with the issues of mainstreaming from my own teaching experiences. Your students are fortunate to have you as their teacher . . . .

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    1. Joan, thank you! I remember a teacher's aide (he looked like the actor who played the clergyman from Jamaica on Call the Midwife) telling me that Rachel is an angel. He raved about how wonderful Rachel is in the classroom. He is Hearing and he mentioned the struggles with Administration too. And I remember running into Rachel after school and we had a conversation about teaching. I recall telling her that her students were so lucky to have her teach them.

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    2. Rachel, I agree with Joan that your students were fortunate to have you for their teacher. I had a wonderful teacher from the Philippines and she gave all of us students children's books as graduation gifts. She always Signed. She is Hearing. Before class started, we all did morning stretches and I think it was very helpful in the classroom.

      By the time I graduated from High school, I think she retired from teaching.

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    3. Joan and Diana, wow, nice to know what the aide said about me. Honestly, I had so many struggles with aides there, I'm really pleasantly surprised by this. Most of the Special Ed staff at that school district is from the Phillipines. Many wonderful people. Not all of them sign, though, even the teachers of the Deaf. So really glad to hear about your teacher, Diana. She sounds wonderful.

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  2. Welcome, Rachel, and thanks for bringing her to us, Diana. Gosh, I know so well how much work marketing a book takes. To also wrangle an uncomprehending and sometimes unsympathetic hearing world has to be monumental.

    I look forward to reading your memoir and sharing it.

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    1. Ha, thank you Edith. Yes, recently some TV interviews have been cancelled due to their not knowing how, or not being willing to, provide interpreters, even when I find ways to do it for free. It's frustrating, since I'm paying for the publicist who found the interviews! But I'm finding other opportunities. I'm not crazy about the "it's meant to be" ideology but in the case of these TV shows, I think it fits. It's not meant to be. Thats fine; I look very funny on video anyway!
      Rachel

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    2. Edith, thank you. In my online writing academy, they cover Marketing. And Rachel, may I ask how you found a publicist? And is the Publicist familiar with the Deaf community?

      Diana

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  3. RACHEL: Thanks for sharing your experiences with us today. I must admit that I had never thought of the many challenges to market your book.
    DIANA, thanks for asking such great questions in your interview.

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    1. QUESTION for both of you: I have been a mystery featuring set in a Scottish school for the deaf. They use BSL instead of ASL. Are there difficulties in communicating/understanding each other if one was taught in BSL, and the other in ASL?

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    2. Grace, what a great, fun question! The short answer; YES. Difficulties galore! The two sign languages, BSL and ASL, are 100% different from each other. However, Deaf people world wide are masters at communicating through mime, gesture, different visual tricks and techniques, even when their sign languages are different. So the level of communication would remain superficial perhaps, but still, a lot could be said. If that makes sense. Best of luck with your book! I strongly recommend a Deaf sensitivity reader; there's much room for inaccuracy when a hearing person is writing about Deaf people or a Deaf school, and we cannot afford inaccurate publicity, so please do careful homework. Thank you!
      Rachel

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    3. Sorry, I omitted a word in my question. I READ this book,and am not the author. The author is Nell Pattison. I learned about her books at last year's virtual Hull Noir.

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    5. DIANA: Thanks for the explanation about BSL vs ASL. I had wondered if you learned BSL while living there. Two-handed vs one-handed systems explains Rachel's comment about each one being quite different.

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      GRACE: Thank you. I looked up Nell Pattison and she writes Thrillers, right? When I lived in England, I learned a bit of British Sign Language and it is different from American Sign Language, which is borrowed from the French Sign Language. When Thomas Gallaudet (the University in DC is named after him) met Laurent Clerc in Paris, France, he invited Clerc to come to America. Clerc became a Teacher of the Deaf at the American School for the Deaf. And you met my Deaf friend at the Left Coast Crime in San Diego about three years ago.

      RACHEL: Agree with you that Deaf people are masters at communicating through mime, gestures, visual clues and techniques. And I noticed that when I was in Rome, Italy, the Hearing tour guide used a lot of gestures though it is not Sign Language. On another note, because I am not really part of the Deaf World, I am "in between". A relative married a Deaf man though he is Deaf in One Ear from Meniere's Disease. He says he cannot learn Sign Language, though I notice him picking up Sign Language.

      Writing my Debut novel (a Mystery), I am struggling to develop my Deaf character because I grew up in the Hearing World. Despite my years in the Self Contained Class for Deaf students then at the Deaf School, I only know my own personal experiences as a Deaf person since losing my hearing before my 2nd birthday.

      In high school, I mainstreamed Full Time as the only Deaf student and for me, I never had to worry about being punched for getting an A in class. I was blessed to have some friends at my High school who were also my neighbors and have known me since I was a baby. I had teachers who knew me before I lost my hearing. The Deaf School gave me a strong foundation in Language and that gave me a good start. Even before I started Deaf School, I thought it was a given that I would attend the same high school that my babysitters attended. And yes, my babysitters knew sign language.

      And I have Deaf friends from AGB (Oral Deaf) and from the first Deaf kindergarten class. It does not matter if the Deaf person is Oral or is fluent in Sign as long as we communicate.

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    7. GRACE: The American Sign Language alphabet is One Handed and the British Sign Language alphabet is two handed. I was watching The Chelsea Detective yesterday (new season) and the new detective signed "H" to the Deaf coroner. Her sign for "H" in British Sign Language looks like the American sign for "Nice".

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    8. GRACE: The American Sign Language uses one hand for the alphabet. The British Sign Language includes Both hands for the alphabet. For example, when I watched the new season of THE CHELSEA DETECTIVE on Acorn TV last night, I noticed that when the new detective Layla signed "H" to the Deaf coroner, it looked like the American Sign for the word "Nice".

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  4. Welcome Rachel and Diana. This is a wonderful interviewer, an eye-opener in so many ways! I had never considered the question about using your voice Rachel, and how hard the reactions of the deaf community might be. I love the title as it is now.

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    1. Lucy, what a sweet sweet message! Thank you! Yes, I did use my voice during certain parts of a reading at Book Passages recently, because signing the excerpts from the book would have taken more energy than I had at my disposal at the time. Translating the very English-based text to good ASL is both very doable and takes practice and real skill. But speaking, in front of a 50% Deaf audience, felt really shocking to me, and I will do things differently next time. (I'll make videos of me signing the excerpts and project them onto a screen, for any Deaf audience, while reading, or having an interpreter reading, aloud, for the hearing people
      there.) Thanks for your comments because it is obvious you truly understood what I was saying about this in the interview. And that matters a lot to me.
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    2. Lucy, thank you! I worked hard on the Questions and tried to be balanced without giving away spoilers. Personally, I find it hard to Sign and Speak at the same time. If I try to do both, I notice that I forget to voice.

      Rachel, Wow! 50 percent Deaf! Were they Oral or ASL Deaf or both?

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  5. Congratulations, Rachel. Thank you for sharing your story. I love the title.

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    1. Liz, thank YOU! It's funny, but I think someone suggested "The Butterfly Cage" as a title earlier, and I thought NO. But four years later, I thought YES!!! And I love it too, now. Timing is everything, right?
      Best, Rachel

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    2. Liz, thank you.

      Rachel, yes, timing is everything!

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  6. Great questions for Rachel, Diana. Thank you both for your work in sharing experiences in the Deaf community, both as Deaf individuals, and as a teacher and advocate for better Deaf education and daily living. It must be very frustrating to live in a time of incredible access to information, but willful ignorance about accessing and utilizing it by the hearing.

    Marketing a book always reminds me of raising an elephant: after a long, painful gestation and delivery, then you have to feed it and get it raised enough to manage on its own. Love the cover illustration, Rachel. Whose idea was it to use the spiral notebook for the butterfly? Very clever.

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    1. Karen, your words are exactly spot on across this whole comment! About the willful ignorance (YES, exactly!) and about the elephant raising! You clearly know what you're talking about! Yes, marketing is hard, but my baby elephant is beginning to stand up on her own, so I feel like she'll be able to function without me pushing and pulling her up by my trunk, in a little while.

      About the cover, it was an interplay between me suggesting the art by Deaf artist Nancy Rourke, and the publisher's wonderful design artist suggesting a blackboard background. After seven years of praying for it, I was SOOOOOO thrilled to have a publisher who was willing to use a Deaf artist's image‚ (and THIS one!) for the cover. I'd been sort of holding my breath about that all those years of writing it and of the publishing journey.
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    2. Karen, thank you. Rachel and I worked together on the Interview Questions. Technology can be amazing. I use the speech to text (dictation) in the Notes app on my smartphone if I find myself struggling to lipread. Some people speak clearly while some people do not.

      Rachel, I love the cover! Gorgeous!

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    3. Karen in Ohio, thank you for your kind words. With the advent of Technology, I maximize the benefits of technology when I use the speech to text in my Notes app on my smart phone. Like Rachel, I believe that some Hearing People are just not aware and I often find that they are open minded about learning how to communicate with Deaf people. Some Deaf people prefer Sign Language. I have met Hearing People who are excited to show me their Sign Language skills (often fingerspelling). Some Deaf people prefer Oral because they grew up Oral and do not know Sign Language.

      Rachel, I LOVED the cover! Gorgeous art!

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    4. We have a young friend, about 40, who was born deaf. He reads lips in six languages! I'm sure he signs, as well, but I've never seen him do so.

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  7. Congratulations Rachel! I definitely want to read your book. I can only imagine the stresses you went through, but also the joys and the many lives you touched in your teaching.

    Diana, it's great to have you out front on the blog--excellent questions!

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    1. Thank you Gillian! You're right about the stress and the joys, for sure! The best two words to describe my teaching journey.. I so hope you enjoy the book.
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    2. Gillian B, thank you. I worked hard on the Interview Questions.

      Rachel, thank you for writing the book so I do not have to. When I mainstreamed full time, the quality of Sign Language interpreters were so awful that I REFUSED to have Sign Language interpreters. My friends took notes for me in class. However, when my government law class was conducting a mock trial, my classmates INSISTED that I have a Sign Language interpreter and the Audiologist, who also was the school Speech Therapist, came to my class to interpret and she was excellent as an interpreter. The school district tried to save money by having the school Audiologist also be a Speech therapist.

      In my lifetime, I only had two wonderful Speech therapists - a teacher from Boston when I was two years old then many years after I graduated from high school, a Speech Therapist who thought out of the box. Both Speech therapists were very unusual because they had this amazing knack for teaching Speech. Unfortunately, most of the Speech therapists did not know how to work with Deaf clients.

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  8. Diana, thank you for introducing us to Rachel and for a great interview. I also have to say that I love the voice you bring in your comments.
    Rachel, the title and the cover of your book are catching. I’m looking forward to reading it and learn more about the Deaf community.
    Danielle

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    1. I agree the interview questions were excellent and fun! Diana and I go waaaaaay back! Danielle, thank you!
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    2. Danielle, thank you for your kind words.

      Rachel, Wonderful to introduce you to my friends here at Jungle Red Writers. Thank you.

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  9. Diana, thank you for introducing us to Rachel and her book.
    Rachel, I would also invite Anne Lamont over for dinner!

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    1. Lisa, ha! And I bet you cook better than me ! However I am terrific at microwaving and reheating things. And once in a while I succeed in making something great although I rarely remember how I did it, afterwards. Let's do dinner with Anne at your place, not mine. I'll bring the drinks.
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    2. Lisa, you are welcome. Happy to introduce Rachel here.

      Rachel, I remember that your husband is the cook in the family, right?

      Diana

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    3. Lisa and Rachel, great minds think alike. Both would love to invite the same author.

      Diana

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    4. Lisa and Rachel, great minds think alike - same guest for dinner! Diana

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  10. Thank you, Rachel and Diana, for this great interview. I'm happy to meet Rachel and learn of your memoir, a favourite genre of mine. I look forward to reading your book and learning more about Deaf culture. Best of luck with the (very hard work of) marketing it!

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    1. Amanda, thank you for your kind words. IMHO, one of the best memoirs of 2023. Diana

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  11. Diana, thanks for introducing us to Rachel. You’re a good interviewer!

    Rachel, I look forward to reading your memoir. Memoir is one of my favorite genres, and I’ve been on the lookout for something new. I don’t really know very much about the deaf community and the issues that individuals face, and I look forward to learning about it.

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    1. Deb, thank you for your kind words. I worked with Rachel and Julia on the Interview Questions. It was a learning process for me. It was an honor to interview a friend.

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  12. hi all, this interview was great! I'll look for the book for myself, as well as for my niece who is just finishing up her coursework in ASL interpreting. She loves it and one of her proudest moments was at the beginning of summer when she was interning at a camp for Deaf teenagers and they gave her her ASL name (I may not have the right term here). Her name is Ciera, so the ASL name is a "C" plus the sign for "tattoo." The girl does have a lot of ink, so it is perfect! --Melanie

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    1. Melanie, that is wonderful about your Niece becoming an ASL interpreter! Diana

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  13. Thanks for this fascinating introduction to your book and to Rachel. The interview was extremely interesting and the book is a real treasure to cherish. I would read this book and share with family as it is such a worthwhile and emotional story.

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    1. Traveler, thank you for your kind words. The memoir is wonderful! Diana

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  14. Thank you Rachel and Diana! Wonderful insightful questions and answers that are truly eye-opening. lately, in some of the novels I have read there is a Deaf character, who plays a fairly major role. While I feel I have learned a lot after reading them I am now wondering two things: has the Deaf character become something of a trendy novelty do you think? And now I am wondering how accurate were the portrayals and did I really learn anything or not? At least I, and other readers are becoming aware of Deaf people and some of the problems they face, as well as contributions they make.

    I think a point was made in several of the books that when there are two people, one Deaf and one not, the third person often directs all comments and remarks to the hearing person, perhaps disregarding that many Deaf people also read lips.

    As a retired teacher, I so look forward to reading yur memoir Rachel. As a reading teacher I cannot help but wonder how reading is taught.

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    1. Judi, thank you for your kind words. You ask great questions. I am sure Rachel will respond when she gets a chance to.

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  15. I'm delighted so many readers here are fascinated - I know I was. After all, it was Deaf students, striking for the right to have their own teachers and to honor their own Deaf culture at Gallaudet, that kickstarted the modern disability rights movement. Two years after the Deaf student action swept the nation's airwaves, the ADA was passed in congress.

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    1. Julia, thank you for your kind words. I recall the Deaf protests at Gallaudet and I think one of the leaders eventually went to Law School (Greg Hlibok ?) and is now practicing law. Very smart about ADA too.

      As I recall, the protests happened because they really wanted a Deaf President and the Board chose a Hearing woman. After the protests, they finally got a Deaf President in I.King Jordan.

      Quite an honor to interview a friend for this blog. Like you, I am delighted by the comments here.

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  16. I’m so thrilled to now know about this book and author. I look forward to reading it . I taught in both a school for the Deaf and at public schools in programs for Deaf students for 38 years. I am hearing and my husband’s parents were Deaf. My children used sign language to communicate with their grandparents, who used their speech with them but appreciated my daughters using sign with them. My husband published 2 books regarding the Deaf community as he was a sociology professor for over 30 years. I felt fortunate to have had the privilege of teaching my students.

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    1. Your husband’s name? Book titles?

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    2. Anon, you are in for a treat! This is a wonderful memoir. Diana

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  17. This was a great interview. I learned so many things. Thank you both for such an educational post. Meat, congratulations, Rachel, on this memoir. I like the current title, too.

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  18. Thanks to Rachel and Diana for a fascinating overview of the Deaf world and education.

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    1. Margaret, thank you for your kind words. It was an honour to interview a friend. Diana

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  19. Welcome to the Reds, Rachel! I watched my father become isolated in his old age as his hearing became almost nonexistent. It was frustrating for him and for his family to repeat in different volumes and pitches. To make it worse he had difficulty speaking and couldn't write due to a stroke. Bless my husband for never leaving him out of a conversation. He would write Dad notes and comments to keep him in the loop. I'm looking forward to to reading your memoir.

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    1. Pat D, thank you for sharing.

      Your Dad is blessed to have a wonderful son in law. Your husband showed compassion and kindness.

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  20. I will read your book. Congratulations on publishing such a needed tome. I too was a public school teacher and found many of those issues for me and for the special needs teachers. I'm currently writing a historical fiction about a hard of hearing woman in the early part of 20th Century when there was virtually no help for her except a hearing horn in her youth. I will take your advice and have a hard of hearing friend advise me. Thank you.

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    1. Judith, thank you for your kind words. I look forward to reading your novel. Diana

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  21. I don't know if this has been mentioned above, but I love the title (Butterfly Cage) and that the butterfly on the cover is made up of cut out paper hands. So creative and fascinating.

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  22. Rachel, your book sounds fascinating. I recently retired as an elementary school librarian. I wasn’t in the school environment as long as most teachers are, having only found that career choice in my early 50s, but I certainly saw how school districts can be, shall we say, challenging. And I am talking about in general; I can’t imagine having to fight the system as a deaf person and on behalf of your students. Thank you for coming to share a bit of your story with JRW today and best of luck going forward. Diana, great questions and thanks for introducing Rachel to us. — Pat S

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    1. Pat S., thank you for your kind words. Yes, school districts can be challenging! Diana

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  23. What a fantastic interview! I love the cover and the title but mostly I love that you're bringing to light such an important issue in public schooling, Rachel. Thank you so much!

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    1. Jenn, thank you for your kind words. It was a honor to interview a friend for JRW. Diana

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  24. Thank you, Diana and Rachel, for such a great interview and, Rachel, I've already ordered your book! I learned a lot about the Deaf community in the UK from following Rose Ayling-Ellis, the Deaf actress who competed on--and won!--the British show Strictly Come Dancing. Rose increased the British public's awareness of the Deaf community and Deaf culture enormously. She also recently hosted a television special about the lack of funding for teaching BSL in the UK, and about the research into the benefits of teaching young children sign language rather than lip reading.

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    1. Debs, thank you for your kind words. It's an honor. Diana

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  25. Thank you for the book and thank you both for this interview. I am on a strict budget this year (particularly as it regards books) and was very grateful to find the Kindle edition was very modestly priced. A recent gift certificate covered the cost.

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    1. That’s good news that your gift certificate covered the cost of the book!

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  26. Thank you for this very interesting interview and memoir, which I'm looking forward to reading. My wife is a Child of Deaf Adults and teaches Sign Language and its Culture at University of CA. She has done a great deal of research on how language deprivation can cripple a deaf person's language ability for life. In fact, deaf children speaking ASL read better in English than do children forced to go to oral schools where they are prohibited from using sign language. Oral schools try to force kids to speak and read lips. Can you imagine how difficult that is when you have no idea what sound is, and where "B" and "P" look exactly the same on the lips?

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    1. Carl, thank you for your kind words. My response is going to be long!

      You are in for a treat when reading the memoir, I think you and your wife will like the book. Language deprivation is a big issue. When I was a young child at a Deaf school, so many of my classmates, born into Hearing families, shared stories about their families Not knowing that they were Deaf until they were 8 years old. Sometimes as young as 5 years old. The window of opportunity is from ages 0-5 years. When I lost my Hearing the summer before my second birthday, No one knew that I lost my Hearing. I was Still talking, though less and less. If my parents were looking at me, I would respond. If they talked to my back, no response. At the same time, My grandmother had died the day before I woke up from my coma (hospitalized with pneumonia and meningitis for seven weeks).

      The Christmas before my second birthday, my Parents and I took the train down to Southern California. My grandfather picked us up. My grandfather's eldest sibling was observing me at the memorial. She asked my parents if my hearing had been tested, She wondered if I had hearing loss. She remembered her father's sister who lost her hearing from Scarlet Fever. Her aunt went to the Minnesota Academy for the Deaf in Fairbault.

      My parents had asked my Doctor and he denied hearing loss. That was the same Doctor who sent me home the first time I got sick, saying it was something else and gave me medicine. I seemed OK then I got sick again a week later. This time I had to go to the hospital. My parents promptly changed Doctors! And they took me to a Hearing Center in San Francisco where they discovered that I had Profound Hearing Loss! Luckily, My Mom taught at a school where the School Nurse recommended a wonderful pre-school for Deaf children. By the time I was 2 years old, I started school. It was a very progressive program where children were taught Both Sign and Speech. If a parent lived too far away, then the school would provide transportation for the families. ALL of the parents HAD to learn Sign Language. That was a Requirement for their children's enrollment in the school. And the classes were Free. The families could take Sign Language classes for Free. And the Taxpayers paid for all of this!

      IMHO, I think Baby Signs is wonderful because babies can communicate before they develop their vocal cords. And if they find out the child is Deaf later, then they already are Signing, right? The only change is they will need to learn the American Sign Language or British Sign Language.

      Yes, it can be difficult to read lips when you have no idea if it is B or P. For example, can you imagine going to the shop and the sales person saying "fifteen". You do not know if they said "fifteen" or "fifty". IF the Hearing aid works, then the lipreader can "hear" the difference.

      Look forward to seeing you and your wife at Bouchercon.

      Diana

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  27. What a fantastic interview, Diana. So excited to read this book! As an ASL interpreter (and author) I’ve seen the injustice Deaf students face in the classroom all the time, but I’m less familiar with what Deaf teachers go through — since almost always the teachers are hearing when I’m there. This sounds like a very important book!

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    1. Blair, thank you for your kind words. Agreed that it is a very important book. Diana

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    2. Blair, thank you! For you work, your intelligence about it, and your comment.
      Rachel Z

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  28. Everyone, thank you for your wonderful comments!

    Readers are in for a treat.

    For people who want to read Rachel's memoir, here is the link to my Bookshop dot org:

    https://bookshop.org/p/books/the-butterfly-cage-rachel-zemach/20059572?aid=6129&ean=9781959804512&listref=history-memoir-non-fiction

    There is the option of Hardcover or Paperback and your purchase will benefit independent bookstores.

    And please ask your local public library to get copies if your library does not have the book.

    Diana

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