Friday, November 10, 2023

What We’re Writing—Debs’ Vanishing London

DEBORAH CROMBIE: I have been on a listening project these last couple of months. Last summer I made myself a pledge that I would listen to the audio versions of my books, in order, something I had never done. I had not (admitting shamefacedly) ever really listened to any of the books all the way through, because I would get distracted. I’ve never done a consistent, sequential print reread, for that matter, instead just dipping into the books here and there, checking on a character or a setting or a favorite passage. But I was feeling a real need to experience a sense of flow in the series, to be grounded in it.

Around the middle of August I dug in, starting not at the beginning of the series but about halfway through, with IN A DARK HOUSE, and I am now, ten books later, a couple of hours away from finishing A KILLING OF INNOCENTS. It’s been so interesting, processing the stories this way—it almost feels as if they were written by someone else.



But it’s also been a bittersweet reminder of how much has changed in London. So many of the places featured in the books are gone!

Kitchen and Pantry, the Notting Hill coffee shop where Duncan meets his friend MacKenzie Williams, gone. (And where I had many a lunch and coffee...)




Mr. Christian’s Deli--such a Notting Hill fixture—where Gemma or Duncan could snag wine and cheese for a quick dinner, gone. 

The café across from Earl’s Court tube station where Denis Childs met his handler in GARDEN OF LAMENTATIONS, now a Gregg’s.

The piano bar in Kensington High Street, gone. As is the oyster bar in the big Whole Foods there, closed during the pandemic.

The 12 Bar in Denmark Street, where Andy Monahan first plays for Melody in THE SOUND OF BROKEN GLASS, gone. 

Even Scotland Yard’s iconic building in Victoria Street is gone! (Scotland Yard in now headquartered in the Cecil Green building on the Thames Embankment.) Notting Hill Police Station is closed, as is Lucan Place in Chelsea.

At least some of my stalwart series locations remain! The Duke of Wellington pub in Portobello Road, check. The Jolly Gardeners in Putney, the pub across the street from Doug Cullen's house, check. The Scotch Malt Whisky Society in Bleeding Heart Yard, check. The Tabernacle, where Toby has his ballet classes, still there, thank goodness. Holborn Police Station, not sold off by the Met, yet. Whew. Oh, and the Bloomsbury Tavern, the pub in the cover of A KILLING OF INNOCENTS, above, is still there!

I’m a little anxious now, however, that featuring a place in my books might jinx it. At least pubs seem to be a safer bet for staying around!

But aside from the nostalgia for places past, I’ve found the listening exercise to be a great writing prompt, because I can just shift from the scene in the book to the scene in my head.

Fellow Reds, have you had favorite locations in your books vanish? (Rhys, I’d ask you the opposite—are favorite locations from your historical novels still there?)

Reds and other authors, especially those of you who write series, have you ever done a sequential reread? I will now go back to the first book in the series, A SHARE IN DEATH, and read forward again.



Readers, have some of your favorite settings disappeared?

 

And now for more current news! Today I’m in Boston, where I’m very flattered to the Guest of Honor at New England Crime Bake 2023, and I’m hoping to see many of our regular Jungle Red readers this weekend! 



65 comments:

  1. Wow . . . that's a lot of vanished places, Debs. But these are settings I know only from the pages of your stories, so I don't feel their loss quite as strongly as you do; nevertheless, it’s quite distressing that so many places have disappeared. Sadly, so much has been lost in the last few years . . . .

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  2. Debs, it's good you take your trips to London to keep up with all that's changed and changing. I think it's a great idea that you're listening to the audio books of the series and regaining a sense of the whole series. There are several series, including yours, I'd like to listen to from beginning to end. I've never reread a series either. So many books in my favorite series. However, I do think that Philip Pullman's Sally Lockhart series would be quite doable, with just four books in the series. It's one of my favorite.

    Have a great time at Crimebake, and your so-well-deserved Guest of Honor activities.

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    1. Thanks, Kathy! I love the Sally Lockhart books, too. Wo Der if they are good on audio?

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  3. I feel like some real places in books have vanished, but I'm drawing a blank on them right now. It's sad when a place with happy memories vanishes, whether those memories are of real events for fictional events.

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  4. Funny you bring this up today, Debs. I'm working on the third Detective Honeywell Mystery, and yesterday, I was trying to remember the Irish pub over which Matthias lives. A couple minutes of research revealed the building had been demolished! Ack! But we're writing fiction, right? I routinely create locations out of nothing. The two blocks of warehouses where much of the action takes place in Keep Your Family Close were demolished, and I knew that before I started writing. So much bad stuff happens there, I didn't want to cast such a bad light on a real business. So it looks like Matthias's apartment and the pub beneath is will fall into the fictional category.

    I also like to bring real businesses and locations back to life in my stories long after they've closed or burned down. Keeps the memory of beloved restaurants and homes alive.

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  5. Have fun at Crime Bake. I'm sad that I'm missing it this year.

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  6. See you this afternoon!

    I haven't listened to or read my work all the way through except the audiobook of the first Country Store mystery. If that contract gets renewed after book #13, it might be a good idea. While I try to keep thorough notes on my protags, I'm sure I've forgotten things from the early books. I did binge-read your series, Debs while recovering from back surgery in 2011, so I could get caught up to then. Now I snap up the new book each time it comes out.

    I don't use real towns for most of the action, so I don't have to worry about places disappearing. I'm happy to report that many of the real places in my Quaker Midwife series are still here, just repurposed from being a large mill complex, for example, to housing a hardware store, a popular Flatbreads restaurant (first in the chain), a counseling office, a yoga studio, and much more. The former Armory is now Town Hall. And my house is still here too, where my midwife lived!

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  7. Let me begin with Crimebake, which I will place firmly in the category of: "Woman plans, god laughs."
    Hope to see everyone there tonight.

    I used to reread whole series frequently. Harry Potter, for instance. I reread all of the books each year before the new one came out. Debs, I have reread your series more than once and listened to all of the books. Several other series, with exceptional narrators, are books I will relisten to when I need a boost.
    Okay. Leaving for NY funeral in one hour.

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    1. oh dear, sorry about the funeral Judy--hope to see you tonight!

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    2. JUDY: Sorry about the funeral but glad that you're able to make it to your first Crime Bake tonight.

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    3. Condolences on the funeral, Judy, but we will looking forward to seeing you tonight!

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  8. I'm not sure if real places in books that I've read are still around or not. Well, except for maybe one book. I got to review a book called Dangerous Boys by Greg F. Gifune. The book was set in 1984 New Bedford, MA. That's 15 minutes by car from me and various locations featured in the book not only existed, I spent time in some of those places growing up. And they are definitely gone or have undergone name changes. The video game arcade in the mall, the law school that had a name change, the amusement park that is long gone. It was weird to read the story realizing that I had been in these places AND even listening to the music that was mentioned in the narrative as well.

    As for you being at Crimebake this weekend, I hope you have a great weekend and I'm sorry I won't be there to meet you, Jenn, the rest of the JRW writers and readers that might happen to be in attendance.

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    1. We will miss you! I still think you should show up tomorrow and hang out in the halls.

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    2. Edith, thanks. But you know I wouldn't feel right and believe me I would definitely love to add to my collection of signed books with all of the authors in attendance.

      Lucy, thank you.

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    3. Jay, so sorry you couldn't make it!

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  9. DEBS, REDS and fellow commenters going to Crime Bake: have a wonderful weekend together! Last time I went to Crime Bake was 2005. I think JULIA & ROBERTA were there but I didn't know them then.

    Yes, many real places that I read about in books have vanished. Most of them are restaurants and indie bookstores. And in my hometown of Toronto, good chunks of the downtown core that I knew intimately have totally changed. I watch Youtube videos of locals doing neighbourhood walks. I spent 35+ years seeing the same eclectic indie businesses & low-rise buildings. They have been replaced by dozens of high-rise condo towers.






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    1. True, but from what I remember, Crime Bake back then was very different from what is now in the schedule. There were no welcoming reception, breakfasts or awards dinner where participants could mingle.

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  10. I am so pleased that you are listening to your books, and can enjoy them as I have. I have never read one of them, but have heard them all. I don’t know if your reader projects the characters the way that you envision the story, but I hear the characters, and for me it is perfect. I sometimes relisten to the last book, just to bring my memory up to date, and often re-visit where I was and what I was doing when I first heard that passage – something that does not seem to happen if reading a book in a chair. It seems to me that you had a change in readers (?), and if so I didn’t notice which means your readers are good.
    As for lost places – I have never been to any in your books, and rarely go down the proverbial rabbit’s hole to research the place in the book. I guess I assume that a lot of the places are fictional, even though I realize and enjoy Canadian books where I can ‘see’ the places in my mind. Both things work.
    Sometimes the places are more important than the book. Eric Wright was an author who set his books from Toronto to PEI, and a lot of the book was driving that route. That is what I remember – the driving not the story!
    Enjoy Crimebake, and even more enjoy your audio travels down re-memory lane.

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    1. MARGO, I loved reading Eric Wright's books. He was one of the first Canadian author who set his books in contemporary Toronto with his Inspector Salter police procedurals. The Toronto Police HQ is still there on College Street, as well as iconic locations such as Nathan Philips Square, new (and old) City Hall on Queen Street.

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    2. I've had two narrators, Michael Deehy/Gerard Doyle, and Jenny Sterlin. Gerard started out reading as Michael Deehy but now does them under his own name. I like both narrators but think Gerard is amazing, and he's done all but four of the books.

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  11. Debs, so many places in Key West have changed owners or gone out of business. The pandemic did in some of them, and for others, the cost of living is just too expensive. A friend warned me about using real places early on in the series, but it's a small town and I wanted it to feel real.

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    1. the Hemingway House is still there, right?

      Diana

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    2. Lucy can confirm, but I remember visiting the Little White House of Harry Truman, Hemingway House, and a few other historic places which I would imagine (and hope) are still there as they are big tourist attractions. I remember visiting Kermit's Key Lime Pie (back in the early 2000's I think is was).

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    3. yes the Hemingway Home and the Harry Truman little White House are still there, as it Kermit's. It's more the restaurants that have changed, sadly.

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    4. I think you made the right decision, Lucy, even if things have changed. That authenticity is one of the things that readers love about your series.

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    5. Because of my love for Key West and having visited there multiple times in the 2006-2007 time period, I've always enjoyed your use of real places in Key West and learning more about them, Lucy.

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  12. I don't mind if real places used in a book cease to exist at some point (that's life), but I dislike when a real place is manipulated to fit the story. That rubs me the wrong way.

    I am a re-reader of favourite series, as I love being with my favourite characters.

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    1. Oh, and Debs: ENJOY the honour and the fun of Crime Bake! Hello to all JRW folks there. Have a lovely time.

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    2. We are having a great time already!

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  13. Debs, are there favorite places in novels that has disappeared? I cannot recall, though in real life, when my Mom and I visited England in the 1980s, the Milk Bars that my Mom remembered from her visit to England in 1962 were not there anymore. I loved this place in a mystery series and when I asked the author about the address, the author confessed that it was fictional. It never existed. LOL

    Since I have not been to England for more than 10 years, I had a question. Do tearooms still exist in England?

    Regarding books, I am a re-reader! Currently re-reading PERIL IN PARIS while waiting for PROOF IN PUDDING to arrive in the mail later today.

    Diana

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    1. Diana, you don't see many tearooms in London, but I'm sure there are still plenty in smaller towns and villages. I'm reading Proof of the Pudding now! Always so happy to be back with Georgie.

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  14. Wow, Debs, that is a serious time commitment! Especially since your books seem to have gotten a little longer and more involved with each one.

    En route from Logan now!

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    1. Yay, Karen!! I can't to see you! And yes on the time committment but mostly it's meant I have read many other things the last couple of months, so I feel behind.

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  15. I reread series all the time. At least I always read the preceding book before I open the new one so I can remember what led up to it. Plus I reread as a comfort, to be with old friends in good places. During the pandemic, your (and I mean all of you) were my refuge and I read and read. I just finished rereading all of the Kate Sugat mysteries by Dana Stabenow. Now I usually have more than one book going at a time so I was also reading for Book Group. Atlanta

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    1. I reread favorite books for comfort, too.

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    2. Love Kate, I’ve read that series many times.

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  16. I've re-read John Mortimer's Rumpole series as well as Wodehouse's books over and over again, along with re-reading a few of the Harry Potter books, a number of Agatha Christie books, along with many of the other JRW's wonderful series. I love returning to Key West and "visiting" all the restaurants!

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    1. Ditto on "visiting" the Key West restaurants in Lucy's books. I'm so glad I've gotten to try some of them in person!

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  17. What a brilliant idea to listen to all your books--and SO otherworldly! Such an exercise! (Also, when I see you today Debs--YAY!--remind me to ask you something.) (And I hardly ever re-read, except for Agatha Christie.)

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  18. Oh, as yes, the geography of Massachusetts and Boston has changed significantly! An entire spaghetti highway intersection that was the focus of one whole chapter in a Charlie book does not exist anymore...oh well. I just..ignore it.

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  19. Wow, Debs, that is an impressive undertaking. I have never done a sequential read or listen and now I think you might be onto something as it could be a fabulous way to get my head back in my series since I never managed to make up a series bible and frequently have to do keyword searches to remember details from previous books. Did you take notes while listening or no?

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    1. I did take notes, Jenn, as I, too, have not kept up with a bible. It's astonishing how many things you forget in a series!

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  20. The world changes, sometimes for the better, though whatever genius decided to curse our area with traffic circles should be sent back to school.

    When we landed at Heathrow, I pulled out my 10+ year old Oyster cards and tapped the ticket machine. After ten years, each card still had 8 pounds 30 on it, enough for underground fare into London!

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  21. Sometimes I feel as though almost my entire past has vanished.

    The hospital where I was born is gone. And I had my first paying job there, working there after school when I was in high school.

    My elementary school is gone.

    My high school is gone.

    The bank where I worked in the Trust Department for nine years after college is gone. It disappeared in the banking world version of PAC Man!

    The street where my dad’s parents lived until I was in eighth grade is gone. Their entire street, and all the small streets around it, no longer exist. They were eaten up by Urban Renewal. And that’s why my grandparents had to move. Then the project got stalled for many years.

    A law firm where I worked in the late eighties/early nineties is gone.

    DebRo

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    1. DEB RO: Sorry, that's a lot of buildings from your early life gone.
      I had the opposite experience. I went back to my childhood north Toronto neighbourhood in October 2021 when my dad died. I stayed in an Airbnb apt in a single bungalow and walked by old primary school, junior high & high school. All the houses, the park I played in were all there. Everything seemed frozen in time, unchanged from the 1970s-1980s.

      By comparison, my former Yonge-Lawrence/Eglinton Toronto neighbourhood where I lived (until 2013) is almost unrecognizable. The city has spent the 10+ years building a new LRT (light rapid transit) line along Eglinton. As a result, the surrounding area has been transformed with a focus on high intensification/density building. Over new 15 highrise condo towers have been built and blocks of beloved mom & pop indie businesses have been razed. It's crazy.

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  23. Oh, Debs, that's so sad. On the bright side, your books have immortalized all of those places in your reader's minds. I lived in South Florida for almost 40 years. So many of the places I loved are gone. Largely replaced with high-rises. It's sad to see, but I guess it's progress.

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  24. They'll probably never get rid of that ugly Holborn police station, unfortunately!

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    1. Ha! So true! It is borough headquarters so they'd better not.

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  25. I’m lucky with both Georgie and Molly as much of what I write about is still there. Molly’s home on Patchin Place, much of the Lower East Side exactly as it was. Georgie’s family home in Belgrave Square, all of St James’s , the fabulous arcades, Fortum and Masons, all there. I stroll around lost in ideas!

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    1. Thank makes a lot of sense - if something had disappeared, you wouldn’t have known about it to write about it unless it was famous.

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  26. In another life, I was a series re-reader. I thought once I retired I would have time to that again, but not so far. I am planning to go back to the Bruno Chief of Police books by Martin Walker since we are visiting the Périgord region next month.

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  27. I wish every one of you who will be there a great time at Crimebake! Deb, I hope you have fun being the guest of honor! I'm also fascinated by your method of immersing yourself in the world of your series; it makes perfect sense to me, especially since I love audiobooks and probably listen to more books than I read. As for vanishing places, I use a lot of real businesses and locations in my series, which is set in Bern, but things don't change as fast in this sleepy city (even if it is the capital of the country) as they do in Zürich, London, or Los Angeles. What come and go the most here, as in every city, are restaurants since they are so hard to make a go of, especially now thanks to COVID and people continuing (even post-COVID) to work at home. So far, I don't think any location I've placed my characters in has disappeared, but since only two of my four mysteries have been published so far, that isn't much of an accomplishment!

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  28. Debs, that's the bittersweet part of spending a long time in one place - even a city that seems as ageless as London keeps changing and changing.

    The part of New York state that I write about doesn't have as much "gone missing" places (although I was sad to see the HoJo where Ross and wedding guests spent the night before our wedding in '87 has vanished!) Instead, it's becoming gentrified. The dusty old Saratoga Arms is now a 4-star hotel commanding $400+ a night, and shops that once sold hardware and groceries on Broadway are now selling custom jewelry, Italian leather boots and craft cocktails. Sic semper cheap places.

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  29. Everyone going to Crime Bake: have a great time !
    Danielle

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  30. It's so sad when this happens... and you can find it happening in your own neighborood if you live long enough and stay put. As Julia said so wel, it's the bittersweet part of spending a long time in one place. Some cities change more than others, though. My home town has been pretty stable but all of Los Angeles where I grew up is transformed. Drop me at an intersection and unless we're at the beach, I have no idea where we are.

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  31. Desbs, congratulations on your Crimebake honor! Wishing you all a great time!! I think it's interesting that you're listening to your work. I can see how that would be beneficial to a writer. You get to experience the story in a different way.

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  32. Deborah - I have listened to your series on audio several times - and each time I love it more! The characters are like old friends to me.

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