Saturday, March 23, 2024

Rhys ponders on words that make no sense...

 RHYS BOWEN: I read an article the other day about how we all, unknowingly, use completely obsolete words. When we send an email and we CC we are adding a carbon copy—putting that sheet of carbon paper into the typewriter to make an extra copy. We say we are e-mailing somebody when in fact we are sending an electronic message, no mailman involved.

 We also say we are taping a program we are watching on TV, but nobody has video tape any longer.

 Announcers sometimes still say “don’t touch that dial!” as if we still have a dial on our TV. People still talk about dialing a phone when we haven’t had dials since my youth.

 Filmed before a live audience is not true. We don’t film any more. We don’t create albums on vinyl or call them records.

 The icon for the save button on our computer is still a floppy disc!

 I find that I email somebody saying, “It was great to hear from you again.”  No, I didn’t hear, I read a message from them.

 My husband John always calls his computer a machine. Not true as a computer has no moving parts, hence is not a machine.

 My granddaughters do not date any more, or even go steady. My granddaughter Liz says that she and Nick are “talking”.  That’s the stage before the going steady and who knows what that is called!

 I know I am horribly guilty of so many such words—are they anachronisms? First I am British so my vocabulary includes words like brilliant. I don’t say groovy, however. Or cool any longer. And second I write about the past so that vocabulary is constantly running through my head. My characters say “Heavens! And Golly! And Gosh. All of which I sometimes use.  I tell someone I’ll “ring them up”. Or “give them a ring” when I mean call them on my cell which is no longer a mobile phone. (although it is in England).

 I am aware enough not to call a flight attendant a stewardess, although I know people who do.  I am certainly aware enough not to use words like queer or gay although both of those had a perfectly good meaning when I was young.

 I do not actually write books, as in holding a pen in my hand over a piece of paper. I transmit my thoughts electronically. So the word writing means the act of creation not the way I do it. And I may announce that my books are “hot off the press” when they probably were never hot.

 I still hear “running out of steam”,  “blowing off steam” “on the flip side” “flash in the pan” And what about “nose to the grindstone”.  How many of us have actually used a grindstone, let alone put our noses anywhere near it?

 So I’d like to know what outdated words and phrases you still use, probably without thinking of their original meaning?


And having talked about writing, at a keyboard, I thought I'd end with some levity! Have a great weekend.


And Edith’s tote bag goes to Nora A. Email Edith at Edith@EdithMaxwell.com

And Susan’s winner is Flora. Please contact Susan at scauthor@me.com

55 comments:

  1. Hhhhmmm . . . I think you've mentioned most of the ones that immediately come to mind; I'd add Hold your horses . . . .

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  2. Ah words, how we love them! Driving on the turnpike, which comes from a pike, a long pole that blocked the road until the drive paid the toll and then the pike turned to let them through. There's a term we all use that comes from bridge, except now I can't remember what it is.

    Even a modern term like podcast - doesn't that come from iPod + broadcast? Except nobody uses iPods anymore!

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  3. Golly, Rhys, I still say "cool" 😎. But gee whiz, all the kids still use it. Don't they? I love the author assistance buttons. And don't we all say "buttons" although the buttons are mostly gone.
    There are days when I "sound like a broken record." I am pretty sure my kids have never heard what that sounds like.
    Fun question today.

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  4. Wait. What? Kids don't "date" any more??? Now I really feel old. I also have to wonder what modern words and phrases will be outdated in another decade or so.

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    1. I expect every word to do with technology will be outdated in ten years! iPad? What’s that? Laptop? Never heard of it

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  5. I'm such a dinosaur, I use all of those terms. I do think, though, that some, like "write" still apply, no matter what tool you use - by hand, by typewriter (for those who still have them), by keyboard: you're still writing. And I have read that "cool" never seems to go out of style. But some of the others? Like Annette, I'm amazed to learn "date" is outdated (no pun intended.) I do use "flight attendant rather than "sterwardesss."

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  6. I found myself saying "keyboarding" the other day instead of "typing". Is that a word still in use today? I can't keep up with the vocab changes that technology so often brings with it... and I still say "cool".

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    1. Amanda, the cool kids still say "cool." But do they say, "gnarly?"

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  7. I hate to be the contrarian to this post, but I still have videotape. LOL!

    Also, vinyl records are still in the midst of a rather sizeable resurgence. In fact, it is almost a crime what they are charging for vinyl records these days. A lot of albums/records are once again being released on (overpriced) vinyl these days and catalog albums are getting the reissue treatment like nobody's business. My friend that owns a vinyl shop can attest. Every time Taylor Swift releases anything with her music on it, he can pretty much pay off his credit cards.

    And while I probably don't use it as much as I might have in the past, I still use "cool" frequently enough.

    The "dating" conundrum is factual as I've heard from others. I think "going steady" has been replaced by "Netflix and chill" which is something entirely different.

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    1. Jay, thanks for the vinyl is coming back note. Have a friend who is devoted. Elisabeth

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    2. Oh yes, Jay. My grandkids say chill all
      The time

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  8. Fun post Rhys! I'd love to push some of those author buttons about now!

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  9. I read that article too, and still use many of those terms. I don't think there's anything wrong with using words that harken back to the past as long as they are clear today. When email was first invented, for instance, the nearest analogy was sending a letter electronically, so that makes sense to me. Other terms really never made sense. How do I explain to my Spanish speaking friends the phrase, "raining cats and dogs"? Slang statements like far out, bees' knees, cool, peachy keen, etc come and go, but would also be difficult for someone learning English.

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  10. Thanks, Jay, for bringing up vinyl! That is one trend I never thought would come back, but boy, was I wrong. One of my daughters is learning to be a deejay, and mostly uses electronic sampling, though.

    We still say "press 1", when most of the time it should be "touch 1" on our phones. Light "bulbs" are the universal term, but so many LED lights are not in bulb form at all.

    Rhys, sounds like (although I didn't actually hear you say anything) you've been thinking about this for awhile! Lots of great examples.

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    1. And another thing... listening to an audiobook. Is that "reading" a book?

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    2. Oh, my hackles rise: listening is not reading; something audio is not a book. That, however, is a soapbox for another day. Elisabeth

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    3. By the way, most of the LGBTQ community in my own sphere does not view the word "queer" as a pejorative. I naturally do not intend to speak for all who identify as such.

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    4. I agree listening to a book is not reading!

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    5. Karen, I agree that the LGBTQ community accepts the term “queer” and doesn’t mind the usage of the word outside the community. However, when I was growing up, it was a bad thing to call a person so I am reluctant to use it. — Pat S

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  11. Chesterfield – we sit on the chesterfield. Not a couch, not a sofa, but a chesterfield – how old is that word?
    We also die. Not pass, pass-over, pass the cookies, jump the rainbow bridge – as in My Little Sweetheart died on Tuesday. Yup, just plain dead. No question about it.
    Apologies to the LBGTQ and whatever other letters are included this week. Once upon a time, people were gay – nice simple word. Now the language changes what seems like every other week, and if you are not a part of the emoji-world of X formerly known as Twitter (hunh?) how do you know that what was current 10 minutes ago, is not only not current now, but is offensive?
    I have a rock. I am going to sit under it – on my chesterfield.

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    1. I’ve noticed that, Margo. We do avoid saying died.

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    2. When I was a child my parents called it a davenport.

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    3. Is Chesterfield the brand!? I know it is a sofa/couch but why Chesterfield?

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    4. When I was a kid, one neighbor called it the davenport and another called it a chesterfield. In my house we called it a couch so I had no idea what they were talking about!! — Pat S

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    5. We knew a davenport as something that was a bed - maybe it pulled out to one? My grandmother had a davenport in her kitchen - most people used it lie down. A Chesterfield was always found in the living room. After that I don't know.

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  12. Listening to an audiobook is not the same as reading it, but for those who are driving long distances and can't read it is a great way to "hear" the book. Also for those who have sight issues it opens up the book (so to speak) for them and allows them to have access to the book they might not have.

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    1. Amen!~Emily Dame

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    2. Audio books are great! Love them when we drive long distances. People use them at the gym, walking dogs, when eyes are tired etc

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  13. If I can still read Shakespeare and laugh at the verbal wordplay, then by gum, I'm sticking with colorful language no matter the era! (Imagine emoji here, a face sticking out its tongue).

    And yes, vinyl is making a (pricey) comeback! (Flora)

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    1. No one says it better than the Bard (IMHO).

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    2. I wonder what by gum actually means?

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    3. This is what I found (Flora): 'By gum' is a forerunner of 'ee bah gum' the Yorkshire expression that is still in use in the north of England, although would be considered archaic elsewhere. https://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/82225.html. It means: By God!

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  14. Some expressions are so vivid that you can almost feel them like "cat on a hot tin roof".
    Southerners have some doozies. Debs can probably fill us in - but two come to mind, "hissy fit" and "bless your heart". A British (?) word I've heard recently is "chuffed". Not sure what it means exactly. Rhys?

    I never realized how many French words we use when we go out to dinner - menu, maitre d', appetizer, entre to name a few. So many others in our daily language - souvenir, blase, cul de sac...............

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  15. Chuffed means pleased. He painted the room and was chuffed about it

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  16. I not only still say "cool" at the drop of a hat (how's that for old-fashioned?), I also say Holy Moly, which apparently goes back to the mid-1800s. I also use "bully for you" in a sarcastic way, which was how my father used it--I think that must be outdated. As for the phrase "we are dating," in my day, it meant going out to the movies together and maybe making out, but when I encounter it in novels written by people under 40, it seems to mean "we have slept together quite a few times, but we don't know if we're at all serious about each other."

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    1. Who knows what they do these days. In my day dating meant a movie and holding hands?

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  17. RHYS: Wonderful topic! I was reminded of the time I came back from living abroad (England). I picked up English sayings like "Ringing off" instead of "Bye" or "SK" (in the old days when Deaf people communicated via teletypewriter device for the deaf machines that looked like the Engima machine from the Second World War), an American friend commented that I sounded British. We had been communicating via the TTY (we both had the teletypewriter devices).

    And when I was a child in an All Deaf Class (everyone in class were Deaf ), a classmate said to our teacher (not Deaf) "Why do we say "I heard..." when we are Deaf?" He had a good point, though.

    Since I am Deaf, I do not hear 24/7 like hearing people do. Perhaps people who listen to the radio would pick up on the latest words that the rest of us would not know? Because I use Social Media, I've been picking up on new words like "totes" or "bae" and I have been asking my online friends what these words meant.

    This is one of the reasons I am writing my novel set 100 years ago. Many years ago when I was a teenager (before widespread use of computers, smartphones and world wide web), a writing teacher suggested that I write to a famous talk show host and ask for a copy of their transcript so that I would get a better idea of dialogue as in how people talk in real life). Now with the advent of diverse stories, perhaps a modern story with a different version of dialogue would be OK? Who knows?

    Wow! This was a Long Comment!

    And Congratulations to all of the winners of the giveaways!

    Diana

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  18. One word I find myself saying lately is Okay-Dokey. I've also heard some of my Spanish speaking friends using it as well. Sometimes I say Okay-Dokey oakie funokie. I know - weird. But I guess that's how we use language!

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  19. The Keyboard Shortcuts for Novelists posted by Rhys reminds makes me wonder how AI will impact writers?

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  20. How about "wait for the penny drop" which surely comes from the olden days penny arcade. And a perfectly good phrase that I no longer use for fear of being misunderstood: hook up.

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    1. Hook up the whosimewhatsis to the thingamabob if you want it to work!

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  21. Hanging up on someone, what are you hanging up? People don’t make speeches any longer, they give remarks-when did that change and why?
    To tell you the truth, as opposed to lying to someone? IMHO If you’re the one expressing it, of course it’s your opinion. I see, meaning I understand, what are you looking at. A donkey’s year, is that different from anyone else's.
    Then there are the uns, unruly-is there a ruly, untold meaning many, unspeakable/speakable, unkempt/kempt, unmentionable, unfounded, unhinged
    How about superlatives: amazing, awesome, iconic. Their constant, everyday usage diminishes the times when they really are appropriate to use for something unique.

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  22. Instead of telling a friend "I'll report back" with juicy details about an impending encounter/event, I say, "Film at eleven."

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  23. Such a fun post, Rhys! I'm printing out the writer's keyboard shortcuts:-)

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  24. I know I use a lot of antiquated expressions and words. I attribute it to my parents being 41 when I was born so I learned a number of expressions from the 1930, 40, 50s. But I also hear myself saying (mainly to myself) “jeepers creepers” and the like. I think I use that rather than a swear word. I’m no angel, but I try to save my cursing for the appropriate level of anger and time/place. Good topic, Rhys!! — Pat S

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  25. Frock, as in change my frock, or get a new frock for a wedding. That is usual language in our house. I may have mentioned that I watch Coronation St. For any loyal watchers, have you noticed that Roy often mentions that correct use of a word - as in "literally" . Yesterday, I noticed that Daniel corrected Bethany when she used 'of' when it should have been 'with'. She rolled her eyes as she contemplated what on earth he was 'on about'!

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  26. So funny, Rhys, and I am guilty of them all! I take food "down" to defrost. I don't remember the last time I had a freezer on top of the refrigerator. Decades, at least.

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  27. Cool will always be cool. Mom used to say "give me a ring." Who here occasionally calls the fridge the ice box? Or refers to their CD as a record? I am constantly guilty of what Readers Digest used to call colorful speech. I'm perfectly happy to spout such in everyday speech. Makes life more interesting.

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  28. Our language changes so fast, Rhys! You're wise to keep it historical.

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  29. One more reason why you were so smart to write historicals - your work will never be called "dated".

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  30. Hank Phillippi RyanMarch 23, 2024 at 6:32 PM

    Running in late… And this is wonderful, Rhys! I always say taping a message, or taping a video, when I know there’s no taping. I have to be really careful about it in my books, too! I also call it typing, when I use my computer. But then again… It is typing, isn’t it?

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  31. I guess you can have clement and inclement weather too!

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  32. My husband still says "BEAT LIKE A RENTED MULE" and "I AM SO HUNGRY THAT I COULD EAT A HORSE"!!!!!!!!

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