Saturday, May 4, 2024

Keepiing track of characters: A writer's (and reader's) challenge

 HALLIE EPHRON: Earlier this week, we talked about a doctor’s advice for keeping your memory sharp: read fiction!


I happen to be reading Chuck Hogan’s GANGLAND and I’d just been marveling at its intricate plot is and huge number of characters, most of them gangsters, each with two or more names (Nicholas “Nicky Pins” Passero. Anthony “Joe Batters” Accardo, aka Big Tuna.) 

It’s a terrific book, and a nice change for me. The most gruesome parts are left to the imagination.

Hogan he blew me away years ago with PRINCE OF THIEVES (which was made into the movie THE TOWN) and, true to form, the characters in GANGLAND are brilliantly drawn.

I can only imagine what he must have had to do to keep those characters straight when he was writing them.

So that’s my question for today: Do you have a bookkeeping strategy for keeping your characters straight every time you put them on the page? And what about in a series where every book introduces a new character (or five) and reprises many from earlier books. What’s your trick?

LUCY BURDETTE: If I’m reading a book with too many characters, I tend to skim. Especially at night, when I am reading for entertainment, not work. At an event last week, someone asked me if I’d kept a character bible for the Key West mysteries.. Oh how I wish I had!

I envy those writers who keep track of physical and psychological attributes and plot points as they write along in their series. I wasn’t organized enough to do this, so now I rely heavily on the style sheets the publisher supplies along with copyedits. These list the characters, and some of their relationships–this is so helpful when I can’t remember someone’s name etc!

If all else fails, I use the search bar liberally.

RHYS BOWEN: I do not like books with too many characters. All those Russian novels with Alexander Ivanovitch sometimes called Sasha sometimes some other nickname. I confess I give up.

And I’ve had to give feedback on books that introduce a Bob s Bill and. Phil in the first page and expect me to remember them.

With one series of 20 books and one of 18 I should keep perfect bibles. But I don’t. Then I have to delve into back numbers to find out what someone’s maid was called. Oh, and use the style sheets, Lucy I thought of paying a grandchild to read all the books and create bibles for both series

HANK PHILLIPPI RYAN: Well in other people’s books, if I get confused about who is who, I just keep reading and figure it will become clear soon enough. If I start saying, who is that guy? too much, I just stop reading the book. The author has not done their job.

If the names are weird or otherworldly, or impossible to pronounce, I just decide how they sound, and say it mentally that way. And wonder why people just don’t give characters names you can say.

In my own books, gosh, I don’t have to keep track of anyone. I suppose that’s because the past six books I’ve written have been standalones. So I only have to keep track within the book, and I have to say that, so far, that has been no problem.

Sometimes I spell names differently within, Callaway or Calloway, Linney or Lonny, and then change it when I figure out what I’m doing. And in one book, Patience became Patricia in the manuscript, but luckily I caught it.

For my two series, I did not keep a Bible, though I know I should have. I remember Charlaine Harris saying she had hired someone to write her series Bible, and that turned out to be so fascinating that she published it as a book!

Maybe that is an incentive for you series writers!

DEBORAH CROMBIE: I wish I had kept a bible from the very first book in my series, but of course it never occurred to me that there would be so many books and that I would have any trouble remembering my characters… Oops.

I do make a list of the characters for each new book, with some description, and usually there is a lot of crossing out and changing. I don’t want names that sound too alike, or are too hard to pronounce, and of course I have to check previous books to see if I’ve used a name before.

When we are• watching TV, especially a series, my husband always asks me how I can possibly remember the names of all the different characters. Practice, I say!

JULIA SPENCER-FLEMING: Well, I seem to be the exception to the rule, here, because I keep a name bible, and have since the 3rd book in my series. The hero’s sister was Janet, then Janice, the Janet again, and I decided I really didn’t want to go down that road any further…

I have a list of names used in all the books, divided into sections: In town, From away, Bad Guys, 1920s to 1950s, and The Honored Dead. Any names in use during the current work in progress are bolded. I have birthdates and ages of all my main characters, and a brief line of how they’re connected or what they do, Ex. Barbara LeBlanc, manager at the Algonquin Waters, dating pathologist Dan Scheeler.



I also have a list of street/road names and highways numbers and roughly where they begin and end, or the important places they lead to
- I added those when I realized I was making up new state highways in every book and Millers Kill now had more roadways than New York City. I killed off most of them by never using them after the first three books.

I also - and this is important to avoid the Bill, Bob and Phil problem Rhys mentions - have an a-through-z chart for both first and last names. I don’t list the names themselves, but how many times I use a name beginning with that letter.

For some reason, I have a real tendency toward J and K names and I have to rein it back. That way, when considering a new character name, I can see I only have a few O names, for instance, so the heroine’s new dog becomes Oscar and the young former Marine’s friend in ONE WAS A SOLDIER is Olivia.

JENN McKINLAY: I should keep track of my characters' names, but other than my outline, I don't have a method. I remember hearing Barbara Michaels laugh at herself when her readers called her out for making Amelia Peabody tall in one book and less tall in following books. That resonated, especially when I can't remember a character's name from a previous book in a series or their height, hair, or eye color. Probably, I should work on this. LOL.

HALLIE: So what's your take on character names? Are you willing to stick with a book with a lot of characters and what makes you bail?

64 comments:

  1. Character names aren't much of an issue for me . . . I don’t seem to have trouble keeping track of characters, but unpronounceable names are annoying . . . .
    I can't think of a time when I didn't finish a book [even the far too implausible one that made me rant and rave] . . . maybe I should be willing to abandon a book now and then?

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    1. It can be a problem with a work translated into English - I remember trying to read a mystery by the wonderfully talented Israeli author Batya Gur and being unable to keep the names straight. When one of my books was translated into Dutch they had to change the name of the main character because it was an obscenity in Dutch. (Probably would've been easy to remember...)

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    2. That happened to Clare Mackintosh--her main character's name is an unprintable word in French!

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  2. Same for me, Joan. Weird names are distracting.

    Multigenerational same-naming in novels should be a #1 "Don't" for writers. Curses, James Michener.

    We are in the midst of a Polish family reunion, with the name Roman in three generations, and not all of them in the bloodline. Who are you, again? LOL

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    1. I just read a local obit where the 5 sons had married - 3 of the mates were called Denise! Can you imagine the Christmas table - "please pass the gravy Denise, no not that Denise..."

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    2. It can happen in real life! I used to refer to my sister's husband as Delia's Jerry.

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    3. I have a daughter, an ex-sister-in-law, and a stepsister, and Steve's cousin: Christy, Kristi, Chris, and Chris.

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  3. Lisa in Long BeachMay 4, 2024 at 5:02 AM

    Rhys, I’m with you. We’re supposed to read The Idiot for June book club and every time I bring it up on the Kindle to start reading, just seeing the list of characters in the front puts me off. Ugh.

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    1. ... translated from the Russian. An abundance of consonants.

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  4. Rhys and Lisa, I'm in your club. I am supposed to be reading Abraham Verghese's COVENANT OF WATER for this month's book group. I have loved Verghese's non-fiction since the beginning of his career. However I have multiple very long days for medical stuff in May and when I was sent an email directing me to this character list, broken down into five sections:
    https://www.abrahamverghese.org/the-covenant-of-water/#1686933490843-c64a6a7d-acc6
    I wilted. I will be out of town for this month's meeting and I will wait to crack the book until I'm feeling less harassed.

    Any novel that makes me work to keep track of characters is one I tend to put aside. Fiction, for me, is meant to be fun. For the same reason, I'm not a fan of grim fiction or television (I read plenty of grim history).

    Julia, now that the snow has melted and I'm able to work outside again, I have been listening to all your books, one after the other, having read them many times. I'm now on the last (sob!). Yesterday as the characters worked out where a car might have been hidden, it occurred to me to wonder how you keep track of all your roads and intersections in Millers Kill. On paper I read so quickly that such questions don't cross my mind. (Selden)

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  5. It is annoying to find someone mentioned on page 88 and you can't remember a thing about that character. I don't blame the author, I blame myself for not paying attention. Many times I have gone back to search the early pages. There are times when I create name lists while reading or listening to a book.

    Jenn, as for physical attributes, I pay attention to them and want a hero (or his brother or best friend) to have the same height, the same color eyes, and the same color hair that he had the first time we met him, even if it was 10 books ago.

    I do reread series. Should I inform you when I do that and ask if you'd like me to list the characters as I read?

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    1. Oh Judy you could hire yourself out with that offer!

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    2. This is reminding me of some of the silly lengths authors go to so that readers can distinguish their characters from one another . I remember a series with 3 women sleuths, one of whom was Hispanic - every time she opened her mouth she said Aye Karamba - presumably to cue the reader as to which one she was. Heavyhanded.

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    3. Joining Judy in her offer.

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    4. A big advantage of kindle is the X-ray function. All I do is tap on the name and I’m taken to the first mention in the book. Or if x ray isn’t turned on, I do the same and click on search this book.

      It also works for phrases, places, even just words.

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    5. Ann, I don’t know about the X-ray function. I use the search function ALL the time because I can’t remember characters’ names at all! (Quite frankly, it’s not just characters’ names; I can’t remember anyone’s names….) My kindle is old and I read on my iPad. Do you think it’s a Kindle only feature? — Pat S

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    6. Ha, Judy, applying for help here. I've been checking on my descriptions of Duncan and Gemma's house. I've gone back to And Justice There is None, when they first see it and move in, but am now wondering where else I've described the rooms and what I've "accidentally" changed, lol.

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    7. Its a Kindle only function. And it isn’t on every book for some reason. That search function does the exact same thing

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    8. I may have to hire you, Judy! The style sheets from the publisher usually infomr my copy editor who then informs me :) or I should just be more like Julia!

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  6. In college, some of those Russian writers were required reading and I wrestled with all the names, too; was constantly turning pages. Luckily, the mysteries I read now don't have that problem, but some do have quite a large cast of characters, and I sometimes have to go back and forth to remember who's who. That hasn't yet made me abandon a book, though. The only time I quit reading a book is if it gets boring with too much description or backstory give as an information dump. If the story's good, I keep reading.

    But I have a personal anecdote to share regarding short and long names: My husband is from South India, and the names are verrrrry long: His brothers have passed away now, but they had names like Thiruvengadam, Ranganathan, Srinivasaraghavan, Parathasarathy, etc. Which, being highly motivated, I spent time learning and pronouncing until they could just roll off my tongue. But now I have difficulty with short names. Truly: I'll meet someone, say the name (in high hopes of remembering), but later wonder, "What that Bob or Bill?" "Was that Don or Dan?" and so on.

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    1. How funny Elizabeth! and good of you to work hard on those names

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    2. This is an excellent point - that the long twisty name MIGHT be easier to remember (but not if EVERY character has a long twisty name.)

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    3. Elizabeth, just wondering if the brothers used nicknames?

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    4. Deborah, some did, but one never did.

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  7. I have bibles for both of my series...sort of. I tend to forget to update it with new characters. Or the info I save isn't the info I need. Like, did I ever mention how old Earl's youngest daughter was? Or I don't bother to include a minor character only to find I want to bring them back three books later!

    As for the first initials, yes, I keep a spreadsheet of names, but even that fails because there are also locations to consider. In one series I have Detective Baronick in the town of Brunswick. (How did I not catch that???) In the other series, I though Eric would be only mentioned in conversation in one book, except he decided to return for a bigger role in the second book. So now I have Emma and Eric in Erie. He must never come back to town again.

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    1. Snorting, Annette. And how did I not realize I'd named three major characters Duncan, Denis, and Doug? In my defence, Doug came along much later, but still...

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    2. ANNETTE: Overusing alliterative names usually bugs me, but I actually didn't notice all the "E" names in the Detective Honeywell book 2 or that Detective Baronick works in Brunswick!

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  8. Lately I have been keeping a list of people as they are introduced in the book, because at times I will put the book down for a few days or I am reading another book at the same time. It is nice to have my list to remember names. I also make a quick note of the characters and how they are related to other characters like: Joe Smith (bro to so & so).

    WOW Julia your list is very impressive.

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  9. I have spreadsheets for my book characters, including speech mannerisms and clothing. I wish I had done the same for my short stories.

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  10. Cathy Akers-JordanMay 4, 2024 at 7:58 AM

    Rhys, I like your idea of paying a grandkid to create the series bibles!

    Julia, I am impressed with your organization. Wow!

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  11. I just finished a book (about sex trading in children) set in India. Most of the dialogue had Indian references through it, but the most difficult part was keeping track of the people – hard enough in a foreign language, but 75% of the names both male and female began with S.
    I have real difficulty when the same letter is used to start the names of the characters in the book (Justin, Jason, James - nope they are all the same.) It distracts from my enjoyment as I suspect when reading that I see the first letter, and then just autofill the rest of the name, so this means I have to stop and think about the name of the character rather than the plot.
    I didn’t bail on the book only because it was for book club. It got a 6/10 because of the subject matter, not the writing.

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    1. Many of us try NOT to have more than 2 or more characters in a book with a name that starts with the same letter. Try to vary the number of consonants. Anything to make the names "rememberful."

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  12. Thanks for this fascinating look at the process! If books are complicated and loaded with families, I do like the lists of characters at the front, organized in family groupings, and refer to the lists frequently (A Thread of Grace by Mary Doria Russell and Elena Ferrante's series come to mind) I think I mentioned the problem I had with the Game of Thrones series by George R.R. Martin. So hard to remember everyone when characters you think are the stars of the show are abruptly killed off and there are so many different story-lines. I gave up and enjoyed the ride without trying to keep track of it all.

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    1. And Game of THrones is told with such a broad canvas - characers, years, places...

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    2. Jonathan and I watching Games of Thrones: "Isn't this great? But who's THAT guy?"

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  13. The only time I bailed on an a book for overloading characters was when it began with the protags attending a conference. Chapter one had us meeting everyone the protags met in the dining room, learning their names, their professions, etc. Yikes. I went on to chapter with relief, only to have to meet another dozen or so people by name and reputation in the next room.... I never found out who they met on the terrace.

    Sigh. This was an author who really should have known better.

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    1. HA HA HA! This is one of my writing rules: Never start a book with a cocktail party.

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    2. Yes, I always use "the cocktail party" in my classes as an example of what instantly confuses readers--who are they supposed to remember and care about?

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  14. I tend to notice when a character's name changes from chapter to chapter or book to book (in a series), but I don't pay much attention to how many start with a certain letter or whether names/towns match. Character name overload doesn't happen too often for me--I tend to focus on the main characters. I have used a name list at the beginning of a book and referred back to it occasionally.

    Julia, I am in awe of your organization! For the two books I'm currently working on, I'm keeping a running list of characters. So far, not too many that I have to note relationships, etc., but definitely a help! (Flora)

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    1. Sometimes naming a character with a characteristics that expresses or is opposite to that character's personality helps readers out. A villain iin one of my books is named Angel.

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  15. I very much appreciate a list of characters or family tree at the beginning of a book with many characters or complicated relationships. Even then it can be a pain to keep referencing it as you read because with it is too difficult to keep them all straight. Sometimes I just skim to get the gist of the story and move on.

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  16. So late to comment here! This topic is so timely because I just finished reading two books in a new series and I found it so frustrating that I do not think I am going to continue reading that series.

    In that series, the first novel and the second novel had Different Names for the Groom. In the first novel, it was Neville. He was the fiance. The second book was about the Wedding and his name was changed to Gavin. It was quite frustrating trying to follow the characters.

    Also, in the second book they changed the Groom's name - I would see Gavin on the page then when I turned the page, it was changed to Neville. I do not know if it was the ebook typo (sometimes the ebooks are not as good as printed hardcovers). I think this was a new author.

    As a reader, I appreciate a list of characters before I start reading the story, like in Agatha Christie mysteries.

    Diana

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    1. Sounds like a book that needed an editor, Diana. Too bad because it pulls the reader right off the page, as it did you.

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  17. So, lady writers, let's address this issue from the reader's point of view. When I began to read books with lots of foreign names and CIA themes, I would write a list of the characters on the back blank pages of the book itself. When my public library book club began reading "Mrs Lincoln's Dressmaker" by Jennifer Chiaverine, I started to capture the names and a brief description of each character in a notebook which also included the date that I started to read the book. Sometimes a book only had a page and a half of names. Other times, the list just goes on and on. If the book is part of a series, then I don't need to write many names down as I can always flip back to an earlier book in the series for the list. When an author includes so many details like naming every person associated with a store, restaurant, gas station, and cousin in a novel, I quietly start to scream as I have found that I never can tell which character might be important and then I need to go back, find the details and then add them to my notebook! On a positive note, Mary Alice Monroe's books always include not only a family tree of key characters, but also a map of the town where her book is focused. She has even done that for her "Islanders" books for younger readers. Please keep your readers sane!

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  18. In college "everyone" was reading The Hobbit and Lord Of The Rings. I just couldn't do it. Too many strange names of people and places. I'd spend a chunk of time sounding out the word only to have to do that all over once it showed up again. I couldn't recognize them by sight.
    Then my son got hooked on the books, but as audio books! We listened to them in the car and it made all the difference. The reader used distinct voices for all the multitude of characters and I had no trouble following along.

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  19. I am currently struggling with this. I love the author, but... she started many books back with the main character coming to a small town. Okay only about 12 people to keep track of in vol 1. Ten years a quite a few books later I think she has populated the village. Everyone knows everyone and they all seem to be related. Now when a new person shows up I figure they are the villain. List of characters people, be kind to your readers.

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  20. I love it when an author lists a Cast of Characters at the front of the book. I do refer to those lists.

    DebRo

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  21. Chiming in late (for me) today. I had heard about the importance of character bibles before I started my first series, so I have kept a detailed file for each, adding to it with each new book. Characters can include the police department and what color uniforms and cruisers it has, the town and its geographical location, stores and and establishments in the town, and everything I know about the various people. My protagonist's section is always the longest, rightly so.

    Doing this has saved my bacon SO many times, and saved me hours of hunting through files of twelve books.

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    1. Good for you, EDITH. I find it fascinating though that a writer could be a pantser and yet keep detailed character bibles.

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  22. I have a friend who has four children, whose name all begin with the same letter. Both she and her husband also share that same first letter. I have heard her mix up the names because they sound so much alike.
    In a lot of historical English novels, there tends to be an abundance of characters because of the servants, there are upstairs maids, downstairs maids, scullery maids, cooks, housekeepers, footmen, personal attendants such as maids and valets for each guest.
    Sometimes they continue to appear in and out and you don’t know if they have any relevance to the main story.
    I have found a listed cast of characters telling their connection to everyone else, is very helpful, especially when you get to the middle of the book and you don’t remember half the people and why they are there. When a list is available, I use it to find out who’s who.
    This doesn’t tend to occur in more modern stories because there are fewer servants around but you do have some well populated towns where there are descriptions of too many residents or store owners.
    As mentioned previously, sometimes names and descriptions may vary from one chapter to another. I have even found the change to occur in the season or time of day when only a few minutes have passed.

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  23. My memory is not the best so I don't get upset when I have to wonder who such and so is. It either comes back to me or I go back in the book to find out. If there is a list of characters in the book's beginning, I skip it. Why make myself anxious? I will refer to it if necessary while reading the story.
    Looking at Julia's organization I now know why her books take so long to write. Half the time is spent on her lists!

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  24. Obviously, Julia puts us all to shame!

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  25. Chiming in late on JRW but it's early 4 am Sunday in Singapore.
    I am a loyal reader of series, and many authors publish at least 1 book/year.
    Also great. What is not so great is my memory for secondary characters.
    So I do greatly appreciate the few authors who provide a list of characters at the beginning of each book!

    JULIA you deserve an "attagirl" prize/ribbon for creating your detailed lists so early in your series.

    But it's good to know that the publisher style sheets have helped LUCY and RHYS!

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  26. I admire the readers who enjoy a character name list. For me, if I can't remember them, then I usually quit onthe book, which is why I never finished Game of Thrones. WAY too many characters to follow. The filmed version felt much easier to follow.

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  27. As always, reading through the comments is a treat. And another salute to Julia for her diligence to characters!
    I usually read series for enjoyment and keep the main characters in mind and let others sort themselves in my mind as I read each book. And e- readers allow searching for names - so useful and I always feel a bit like I may be cheating. But no guilt!
    With longer books and some for book clubs, I do keep notes on characters (One Hundred Years of Solitude).
    Heather S

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  28. As long as the characters can be identified, I'm okay with it. I can get confused with a book with very few characters if they come back on with no context after a long time without being on page.

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  29. My pet peeve is when an author uses the same beginning letter for characters such as Stephen, Sean, Sally etc. This makes it hard for me to remember who is who!

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