Friday, September 13, 2024

Musing on Voice




LUCY BURDETTE: A couple of weeks ago during the launch of A POISONOUS PALATE, I was invited by our beloved poison lady, Luci Zahray, to appear on a Zoom call with her book group. (She’s the one who advises all of us writers on how to kill off our characters.) It was a lovely visit with some very dedicated mystery readers. Luci herself might be the most dedicated of all. She told me that in advance of this Zoom meeting, she’d re-read – or re-listened to– my golf lovers mysteries, the advice column mysteries, and also some of the Key West mysteries. (Wonderful music to a writer’s ears!) She said that she would have recognized the Key West books as coming from me, even if she didn’t know that the name Lucy Burdette was also Roberta Isleib. She thought Hayley’s voice was very similar to that of Cassie  in the golf mysteries. (She found the advice column narrator sounded different.) She understood that the narrators in those series would sound different according to how much experience I had as a writer. But this recognition was not about experience. It was voice, my writing voice. We’ve all been writing for quite a while and have written either long series, or many different standalones. I wondered if you’d ever had anyone comment on the change or lack of change in your voice, and how much you’ve noticed it?

HALLIE EPHRON: When I was researching my mystery writing book, I asked a lot of editors what were they looking for in a manuscript. And the number one answer: A COMPELLING VOICE. When I asked what that looked like, the answer I was most likely to get back was, “I know it when I see it.”

I’m constantly aware of voice in my writing – the voice of the narrator. Every word you choose, the structure of the sentences, every choice you make contributes. When I wrote a forensic neuropsychologist narrator, he needed to sound different from a professional organizer or 90-year-old woman narrator.


HANK PHILLIPPI RYAN: And attitude. Not just words, but attitude. And confidence. And that the character has a sense of their place in the world. For better or worse. When I wrote the very first draft of my very first book, the main character was neurotic and worried. I was told to rewrite the WHOLE STORY with exactly the same plot, but make the character smart and confident. I did, and that book sold. I think of this all the time.


LUCY: Fascinating, but…My question is slightly different: what about YOUR voices? Do you think readers can pick up any one of your books from any decade, and say, oh, that’s a Hank book or a Hallie book?

HANK: Oh, definitely. I think. Actually, funnily, I write a lot via dictation, so it comes out as sort of casually natural. Hallie’s voice is more elegant than mine, I think, and mine is more staccato but sprinkled with run-on sentences. I have absolutely had people tell me they could recognize my books, and often they use the word “optimistic.”

JULIA SPENCER-FLEMING: I believe every writer has a distinct voice, and it can be maddening for people trying to break into the business because it sounds so woo-woo and nebulous. Here’s how I break it down:

Your auctorial voice is like a fingerprint. It consists of the style and type of vocabulary you feel most comfortable with, the way you do or don’t address details, the sentence lengths your prefer, the type of punctuation you use and - here’s the woo -woo - how you interpret a story through your own life/ experiences/ interests. Your voice is shaped by what you’ve read, how you’ve spoken, and what you’ve paid attention to throughout your whole lifetime.

And, yes, editors and readers “know it when they see it.” Think of it - you could give the exact same short story situation to every one of the Reds, and each of us would still write a distinctively different story, and I bet readers could easily guess who penned what without any names attached.

HANK: That would be REALLY fun, Julia. We should try it.

DEBS: Or we could write the same story, but it would sound and feel completely different!

JENN McKINLAY: I like Julia’s analogy of the fingerprint. It’s so true. Every author has a unique and distinct voice. I can tell which Red wrote an email to our group without looking at the name because their author voice is quintessentially them–the way they talk, think, perceive things, relay information, and in my case it’s when I feel compelled to crack a joke because that’s how I cope with virtually everything. I don’t think author voices change over time so much as they become more refined.

RHYS BOWEN: Both of my current mystery series are all about voice. I started writing in the first person in both series and the main character just took over. I sort of put down as they dictated and knew exactly who Molly and Georgie are. Their voices are quite distinct from each other. Also the voice in my stand alone novels is different again, although I think you can tell a Rhys Bowen novel.

DEBORAH CROMBIE: Lucy, the day I did Luci Zahray's book group, it was a hundred degrees and the library air conditioning had gone out! Bless their hearts, most of the lovely ladies came anyway. True book lovers!

I don't think I can top Julia's explanation of "voice." And I don't think voice can be taught--it has to grow out of who the writer is and how their brain works. Because I write in third person multiple viewpoint, I don't tie mine to particular characters. When we do our "what we're writing" snippets, Hank always says, "I would know that was Debs' writing anywhere!" (But she said it more elegantly than that!)

Red readers: How do you define voice? Do you think you can identify an author’s voice without a name attached?

54 comments:

  1. I think there's a "style," a distinctive, recognizable something about an author's voice . . . I'm not certain I could positively identify an author by voice alone, but I do think each writer's voice is distinctive, so maybe . . . .

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  2. I'm not sure I could identify an author without a name attached. I see voice as an extension to style. Yes, it is evident in the word choices and sentence structure used. That's the style. But there's also the humor or lack of it. And the subtle things that leak through.

    I do think that voice can change based on the story that is being told. That's why it might be hard to identify an author blind. There will still be something of them in the story (I love the fingerprint analogy), but it will be harder to find.

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    1. Mark, I was reminded of a book that I just finished. I just finished Lucy's POISONOUS PALATE novel and a character commented how some authors repeat the same themes in their writing,

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  3. I think each author's voice is unique to them, but could I identify an author by their voice alone, I'm not so sure.

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  4. Thanks for this discussion. Voice is so very nebulous, and I think it's tied closely to who the character/narrator is. And now, because I slept in (6:20! SO late for me...), I need to go jump into my writing.

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    1. I slept in, too. 8:05!

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    2. I am not sure I have ever in my life slept until 8 AM!

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    3. Edith, when I forgot to sign my name in a comment the other day, you knew it was me! You asked if this comment was by Diana and I said yes that was me! Amazing!

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  5. Hi! I'm new here. I'm currently a nonfiction writer but a lover of reading mysteries. And a new empty nester, or as i like to say, a bird launcher. I don't know enough to comment on style, but just want to thank you for this refreshing blog. I'm enjoying reading it each day! It's a highlight. I've read one Deborah Crombie book so far, which I loved. And I'm looking forward to reading all of you!

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    1. Michelle, how exciting to have all these fabulous authors' books waiting for you to open and enjoy!

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    2. We're so glad to have you join the community Michelle! Hope you enjoy all our books--plus dozens of other writers who visit. Soon your pile will be as high as mine:)

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    3. Michelle, this is such a welcoming group, both the Reds themselves, but also the commenters (the Readers, many of whom are also writers). I hope you join us and feel comfortable sharing or commenting. — Pat S

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    4. Thank you, Michelle, and welcome to the community!

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  6. I love Julia's explanation of voice. I think voice plays a huge role in which authors I read, and especially in which ones I seek out to read more. It plays a larger role in some works than in others, but it is always an important component. I would love to see the result if all the Reds tackled the same story prompt!

    On a personal note, for those who saw my earlier mention of downsizing, we survived the move! Last night was our first night in the condo. Now we just have a mountain of boxes to unpack.

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    1. Susan, congratulations on your move. You will feel like it really is home when you see your stuff surrounding you!

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    2. Oh gosh Susan, good job on the moving! Someday we'll tackle that:)

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    3. Great news, Susan! I wish you and your husband many happy and healthy years in your new home.

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    4. Susan, congratulations! I always feel like this is the exciting part--where you get to create home--some things from before, some new things, and some things that will come with time as you live in the space. (Flora)

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    5. Congratulations on your move, Susan. It takes a lot of energy!

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    6. Susan, we moved a month ago and, as to Judy’s comment above, we have our stuff “surrounding us”, but much of it is still in boxes! Oy! — Pat S

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  7. Julia’s explanation is perfect. I think that in the end, it is the author’s voice that draws you into a book. Many times I have started a book where the premise sounded do good, but then something about the author’s voice turned me off.

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    1. it's true Chris, the plot isn't enough to keep me interested through a whole book if the voice isn't compelling too.

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  8. This is so interesting. If you asked my sister and myself to tell you the same story, or more importantly write the same story, I suspect that you would be hard-pressed to know it was the same subject matter.
    First – the language – she would never check for synonyms, antonyms or any other parts of ‘English’ to improve the way the story reads. Expanding the vocabulary of the essay or upping the anti to improve things is not for her. She would not use the words ‘importantly’ or ‘hard-pressed’.
    Her story would be clipped – just get to the end. No flowery language, no making it a real story – adding to the facts – nope.
    It would be negative. Got the dirt on someone – that would be the main point. For instance, should you need to go to pick up something from someone you don’t know, the directions would include - “go past the green house on the corner – the one where the father raped his daughter regularly, now turn left and go past where Joey Black lives – what you don’t know him? He drinks the paycheck on Friday nights - see nothing about another colour house, just the dirt – it does nothing to provide good details, and only negates the person. Besides, it has no point in the directions as you are going to need to go right at his red house, which is the important detail.
    Now my story is more likely to read: go into town. Do you remember that green house on the corner with the gorgeous lilac bush. Good, now turn left. There is a red house not far down the street, you will need to go right. By the way, do you remember him? His wife makes the best pan rolls in town – they were always the first to go on the bakery table. The reader leaves with positive memories, not scum that you can’t erase from your mind.
    When I was editor of the local paper/magazine, my editorial essays tried to focus on the positive side of life – look for the beauty in everything. On the occasions where the subject was something that could tackle a sad or horrific subject (death of our dog, my mother’s Alzheimers, Remembrance Day), I tried to find the positive somewhere, or at least introduce something to raise the tone – often the memory of a piece of music. Even better, I liked to write about things that were cheerful, and above all funny. Usually they happened to us, and were more likely something more out of Ribley’s Believe it or Not! (Remember our trip to NOT see the movie Harry Potter with the sheep in the van – on the hoist!)
    I think we read what we would like to hear. Authors that we choose reflect how we like to view life. I like my mysteries to make me think, envision, but not necessarily be there for the down and dirty. I can be told that the victim is raped, but I don’t need to be there while it is happening – my imagination can fill in enough. So, I can trudge along with Claire and Russ, but I don’t like the books by authors like Michael Connolley. I can be in the life in Three Pines or enjoy the murderous environs of Midsomer, but don’t like Harlan Coban’s offerings.
    By the way, I would love the same short story situation challenge. I would love to read it, and love to write in it – I think many more would as well!

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    1. This is perfect and hilarious. You are so insightful, and this was such a treat to read! You and your sister, that’s great.

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    2. Wonderful Margo, and it makes me think your sister might be writing a thriller while you are writing contemporary women's fiction!

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    3. Margo, I think I could recognize your writing even if the name was "Anonymous". You definitely have a distinctive voice.

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    4. May I ask what does "flowery language" mean?

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    5. I think I would recognize your writing anywhere, Margo! You definitely have a distinctive voice!

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  9. I am definitely not a write . As a reader who loves mysteries I really enjoy this blog. Also as a reader I really appreciate the discussions on writing. I think I must read a little differently as I think about your voices and the craft of writing, And not only the craft of writing but the craft of storytelling, and getting the setting, the characters, and the plot all together as a whole. Thanks so much!

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    1. thank you for being here and weighing in! thank goodness we're not all writers in this community!

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  10. Lucy, In my two series, the PI and amateur sleuth have distinct voices, but my style still comes through. I think readers come to any writer because they’re drawn to their unique style. I see your signature style in both your mysteries and standalones even though they're different genres.

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    1. that's interesting Ang, calling it style rather than voice. Will have to think that through...

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  11. It's 5:39 here, so about my usual time. I love Julia's explanation of voice, and haven't really thought about it much, although I understand it instinctively. I recently picked up an Earl Emerson book. I haven't read any of his for a long time, but as I settled into the story, there was that feeling of coming home to something enjoyable. It's the reason we readers come back to authors over and over again.

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    1. Yes! It's why I buy Ann Cleeves and Kent Krueger books the minute they are released.

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  12. Julia's definition is pretty much mine - but said better. Voice is the unique way an author tells a story. I think you refine it over time, so it does change but the essentials stay the same.

    Oddly enough, one of my critique partners blind judged a short story I'd submitted for an anthology. I asked if he recognized it as mine from the voice and he said he didn't.

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    1. That is very interesting, Liz. It really shows that we all approach reading in different ways, too. I would expect a member of your critique group to recognize your work, but that wasn't what he was keyed in to look for when blind reading those short stories.

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    2. Judy, I thought he would, too! And of course recuse himself from the judging. Nope. Had no idea it was mine.

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  13. I love this discussion!
    The author's voice is one of the first things that I am aware of when I open a book. The second thing is the character of the characters.
    I probably would not be able to distinguish between the voices of most of the authors I have read, but there are certainly a few whom I would know right away. Storytelling is an art. Some art is compelling, but no one loves everything. We are so fortunate to live in a time when we have so very many choices. Keep writing, Reds!

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    1. Has anyone noticed the difference between a short story and a novel by the same author in terms of voice? I have noticed that sometimes an author would use a different voice for their short stories. Their 300+ page novel has a different "voice" from their short story.

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  14. I can sometimes recognize an author’s writing voice, but not all the time. I think it happens most often when I’m reading an anthology of short stories. Before looking at the author’s name, I read a couple of pages, and think to myself “this sounds like So-and-So”, and I’m usually right.

    In series, I’ve noticed that many times the author’s voice changes over the course of the series. Has the author gotten to know the characters better? Does the author feel more comfortable with the protagonist and the “regular” characters? I don’t know! It’s comfortable to recognize the author by his or her style, but it doesn’t always happen.

    DebRo

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    1. DebRo, maybe it's that the beginning was so long ago that we forgot what we were writing LOL. But also, hopefully or I'm bored, the characters change over time. I'm certainly not the same as I was at age 20 (thank goodness!), but the basic me remains.

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  15. I have no idea if I would recognize the voice of different authors who wrote a story about the same subject. Is voice - style or is style - voice? Do we hear an actual voice in our head while reading the words? Do I hear a British accent just because the story is set in England? Or maybe I didn't get enough sleep so I don't understand the question.

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  16. I love Julia's explanation. Voice is definitely distinct, although it may modify among novels or with different series.

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  17. Wow. this is going to be a long comment. And I agree with Julia that voices are like fingerprints. And you can say that signing styles are individuals. Even if two people are signing the same word, you can see slight differences in their signing styles. it also depends on the shape of their hand and fingers.

    Speaking of voices, while I was reading this post, I was reminded of two things:

    1) as a child, I remember sneaking up behind my Dad, who could hear, and putting my hands over his eyes. He knew it was me. I asked him how? He said he knew my voice. I learned that hearing people can tell who the person is by their voice!

    2) speaking of voices in writing, I recall asking two authors, who grew up in England and emigrated to the States, if they had the same writing teacher or if they went to the same school. Though their novels were different, there was something about their language or word choices that reminded me of them. I found their writing style to be similar in some ways. I am not sure how to explain this.

    Not sure if I could identify an author like the Jungle Reds can. I do know that I can identify who the writer is when I see their handwriting style in real life, especially if I have seen their handwritten words in person, whether or not it is cursive writing.

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  18. Oh what a 'gotcha' moment--agents/editors are on the lookout for 'voice,' but voice can't be taught. Panic time for an author! But I think we've hit on many parts of voice in this discussion. And voice is definitely what brings me back to my favorite authors. If the Reds each wrote a short story using the same plot line, characters, setting, I'm pretty sure most of us could sort the stories by author. Rhys, for example, writes series that totally different, standalones that never plow the same field, and yet, I read one of her books and definitely hear her voice. (Flora)

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    1. Yes, Flora, I was thinking exactly that about Rhys!

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  19. I'm with Joan! Voice and style are interwoven and I'm not sure I could identify an author by the separate elements. But then again, some are so distinct, how could I not?

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  20. Those of us who reread favorite books certainly become more tuned-in to those authors' voices. There are several authors I believe I would recognize right away. One more thought, in some cases it seems that over time, those authors' voices mature.
    I would also love to see the Reds do that exercise in writing identical short stories using the same characters and plot. We all know that you are probably too busy to do that, but what fun for us fans!

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  21. Ah, that elusive definition of voice. When I was working with fourth graders on their writing portfolio pieces (state mandated for some years in Kentucky, but no more), there were actually a few young writers who had what I called voice, and it was rather a shock. And, yes, voice does contain vocabulary choices and sentence structures and dialogue and character development and all the elements of a story, but it's putting all that together in a "voice" that reaches out to the reader with a uniqueness of quality. It's something, especially with those early writers where it was so rare, that I would say you either have it or you don't. What a lame definition, I know. But, it really is that undefinable element that makes a story a good read or an immersed experience. If you look up the definition for "voice in literature," you get the individual personality of a piece of writing, and the importance of "voice" is said to be crucial to an author giving their writing a unique identity. And, so I come back to the realization that I still find the definition of "voice" elusive, but I consider it more than just each author's identity. I consider it having a quality to your writing that makes it stand above the rest..

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    1. I love your description of the young writers, Kathy.

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