LUCY BURDETTE: I had been receiving the newsletter for La Cuisine Paris for quite a while when I noticed that its founder, Jane Bertch, was releasing a new memoir, THE FRENCH INGREDIENT. Of course I bought it, read it, loved it, and then wrote to Jane in Paris to see if she’d visit our blog. She said of course, and here she is today. I love her story and cannot wait to visit the cooking school.
Welcome Jane! One of the things I so admire about your story and this book is your ability to leave a close family and home and start over in a very strange place. Can you tell us a bit about this move and what made it possible?
JANE BERTCH: Lucy, I would like to credit my 20-something-year-old self with the foresight on that initial move to Europe almost twenty-five years ago…but the reality is I didn't have a plan other than seizing what seemed to be an exciting opportunity. I will, however, say that my mother always instilled in me the concept of ‘roots and wings.’ With strong roots that keep you grounded and connected, you can have strong wings that allow you to fly. No matter how far I have been, I always felt connected to home and family.
While I cannot credit my younger self with a grand plan in those early days, I will credit her with being ready to take risks and to do so with childlike curiosity rather than fear. Many years later, I am indeed more measured in my decisions, and thankfully, my younger self still surfaces from time to time to give me a little kick when I need it!
LUCY: I’ve come away from reading your book (twice) with some very clear ideas about what makes Paris and Parisians so different. You’ve said things such as “in France, relationships are everything. Without them you will get nowhere.“ And “Paris is the kind of place that thrives on obstacles, and so do its people. The French also love conformity.” Could you tell us about a couple of the lessons you’ve learned and what it took to learn them?
JANE BERTCH: I learn every single day! Living and working in a very complex country is wonderfully beautiful and frustrating all at the same time. There are so many cultural codes I still have yet to discover, and most times, I discover them either through keen observation or, frankly, an embarrassing gaff! If I were to distill twenty years of experience into two key lessons, they would be the importance of presentation and time.
I have found France to be a country built on the art of presentation. You can see this reflected everywhere, from the care a vendor will take to arrange their products at the market, to the beautifully presented pastry in the shop window, to how people take care with greeting one another, to how a person will carry themselves with confidence when they enter a room.
And time. Time is sacred in France. Time to enjoy an undisturbed meal, time to enjoy a cafe with a friend, and time to curate a relationship. Things just cannot be rushed in France, and I have had to learn the hard way, especially when dealing with relationships. Relationships are gained, not given - and only through time and trust.
LUCY: Your decision to start a cooking school in Paris is so interesting to me because up until that point in the book, you barely mentioned food or cooking. I would love to hear more about how a cooking school became the dream of your lifetime (so far!)
JANE: I love to share this part of my story; it’s one of the reasons I decided to write The French Ingredient. Until December 31st, 2008, I had never considered opening a cooking school. I surprised everyone, including myself, when the idea slipped from my lips at a festive NYE celebration with friends. I didn't know how important being in a kitchen and making a meal with others would be for me. I grew up in my grandmother's kitchen, where everything in our family happened around her table. Later in life, in some way, I now see that I recreated this in the form of La Cuisine Paris. Food is just but a vehicle - a vehicle to express, to share culture, to share stories, to commune, to connect.
So this wonderful idea chose me, I didn't choose it - and my answer to that is sometimes you end up where you are meant to be. I believe (thanks to Elizabeth Gilbert’s book Big Magic) that ideas are life forms. They come to us every day, and it is up to us to act on them. Some whisper to us, some downright scream! But we only ever hear them in their fullest when we can get quiet within ourselves.
So, my dream actually started as a vision/idea, and the ‘dream’ was to realize the best possible version of that idea.
I love to share this with others because I have seen so many people who felt unfulfilled and frustrated with finding their ‘dream’…sometimes that spark inside of us is yet to happen, but it can come at any point and any age. And let me be living proof that anyone can do anything!
I hope to have a few more sparks to bring to life.
LUCY: And finally, what kind of a cook are you and what are your favorite things to eat in Paris?
JANE: I will be the first to admit that on a daily basis, I am an ‘efficient’ cook - you can read into that, meaning easy, simple meals to fill a purpose. I don't really take pleasure in cooking unless it is to share with others! I do love to eat out, and while I love most types of food, I particularly enjoy a nice classic French meal. I’m a creature of habit, and you will find me ordering the same type of dishes over and over. I can never pass on an oeuf mayo, and if there is a steak au poivre with frites (fries) on the menu, I am most likely to order it…. with a nice glass of red wine, of course!
LUCY AGAIN: Jane will be stopping on to answer comments and questions (from Paris!), so please say hello!
You can order The French Ingredient here.
La Cuisine Paris is a French culinary school in the heart of Paris. With a team of classically trained French chefs, we offer cooking classes and food tours in English. We welcome visitors from all over the world with the focus of sharing food and culture.
This is an amazing story, Jane! How wonderful that you found a way to make your dream your real life. It does sound as if you have a lovely home in Paris . . . . I hope your days are filled with joys and you have many treasured memories.
ReplyDeleteI'm curious to know what was the hardest thing you faced in opening your cooking school?
Thank you Joan! And the fun of life is still working to build a home! The hardest thing (to date!), is always finding the right team. We have been so lucky so far, and hope that continues!
DeleteJane, your philosophy is positively inspirational! I love your mother's gift of "roots and wings." What perfect ground to take-off from!
ReplyDeletePlease tell us more about how you went about opening your cooking school. Lucy has been raving about your book for months so it's already on my TBR.
Thank you Judy! My gosh now I need to think back 15 years ago! It's been slow process and we learn everyday! The exciting thing is that the school and the book have brought so many amazing people in to my life, like Lucy and now you!
DeleteI also love "roots and wings" - so true.
ReplyDeleteWhat took you to France in the beginning? Did you have any trouble making friends? I lived in Grenoble with a new baby for half a year, and I found people not a bit friendly. What kind of of work did you do there before you opened the school? And ... are you now an expert at wearing scarves? ;^)
"Roots and wings" - such an amazing concept. I totally get it. Just never saw it put into words.
DeleteBonjour Edith! Oh yes, making friends is challege, but once you do they are life long! In my past life I worked in banking =).... I'm not sure I'm an expert at anything in particular, BUT I think I can do a decent scarf tie!
DeleteDreaming of learning how to bake a classic French baguette next time I'm in Paris...
ReplyDeleteI'll be waiting for you Becky!
DeleteMaybe we should have a JRW trip to Paris for cooking/baking classes at Jane's! It could be arranged, Lucy!
Deletesounds good to me Judy!
DeleteJudy Singer, I love that idea. That is a trip I would be happy to sign up for. If readers are included too, that is. I have added Jane’s book to my library hold list and look forward to learning more. I love her chutzpah, of daring to travel to Paris at such a young age, and then recognizing a great idea in her cooking school and being willing to risk failure. Clearly it worked, but I’m sure when she started, success didn’t seem like such a foregone conclusion.
DeleteOh, I would love that so much!
DeleteHow about March - and could the rest of us tag along,?
ReplyDeleteI'm in!
DeleteI would also join you!
DeleteYou can blame me later !
DeleteYes, please! That sounds wonderful.
DeleteI would certainly try to do it. Let's see how the courses run and how we could logistically accomplish it.
DeleteI would love to do that, too, but I couldn't go until at least May or June. The trial of my son's murderer is in April.
DeleteAfter spending 3 days in Montreal eating baguette with country pate, croissants and pain au chocolat, I am game for going back to Paris to learn how to bake them myself!
ReplyDeleteFabulous Grace - baguettes and country pate sounds great...and why not in Paris!?
DeleteBeautiful journey you are on!
ReplyDeleteThank you Susan! And let's see how the rest of the journey evolves!
DeleteThanks so much for sharing this! Jane, your journey is fascinating, and brave, and courageous though you make it sound so easy and straightforward. Going now to read THE FRENCH INGREDIENT... My favorite thing to do in Paris is (of course) to eat... from charcuterie to charcuterie, bakery to bakery, with a stop for ice cream at Bertillon.
ReplyDeleteThank you Hallie! I hope you will enjoy the book! You will see it hasn't been easy, but it's been gratifying. Bonus is that it has connected me to so many wonderful people! Hope you get to Paris soon and enjoy your fill of charcuterie, breads and pastries and of course ice cream!
DeleteWelcome, Jane! What an amazing experience you have had, so far! I will enjoy reading more in your book. And I would very much enjoy attending your school! Maybe my daughter who lives in Athens could join me for a class. She loves to cook, and is always trying new foods, too.
ReplyDeleteSpeaking of French ingredients, we talked briefly in the comments about celery root, or celeriac. On my first trip to Paris we had a French guide who took us to Le Chartier for lunch, and she happened to be sitting next to me as I was choosing what to eat. She recommended celeriac salad, which turned out to be simple, and simply divine, just shredded fresh celery root, dressed in a perfect remoulade. My first, memorable time eating a new food. On her recommendation I also had chestnut puree, which I had also never had before. Both of those dishes are so quintessentially French, aren't they, but not what most Americans think of, or maybe even know about. Whenever I see an ugly, knobby celery root in the produce section I grab it up, dreaming about what delicacy we will have with it, fresh or cooked.
Sorry for the confusion, we talked about celery root in the comments yesterday.
DeleteThank you Karen! I'm so glad to be here! If you end up getting the book I truly hope you enjoy it - and it goes without saying that I would love to have you here with us one day - and wouldn't it be nice if your daughter joined you!
DeleteSimple is best in my mind - and this is where French food excels, it's hard to cover up mistakes when you only have a few ingredients. I'm so glad you tried céleri rémoulade, it's one of my favorites as well! Roasted is equally beautiful. So let's hope anyone who sees your comment dares to try it next time they will be in Paris!
I find it interesting that you teach French cooking in France, yet you are not French. Perhaps you cover this in your book, but was it difficult to gain acceptance in that regard? .
ReplyDeleteHello Brenda - indeed, I'm not French! I do talk about it in the book, it's been a fun and challenging 15 years. In the end, food is about sharing culture, it is a way to connect and commune...and I think even more these days, sitting around the table with old and new friends is paramount. I cannot speak for all French people, but the ones I have come to know over the years appreciate that we honor and appreciate this very important part of their culture.
DeleteJulia Child was also not French, right?
DeleteHI Jane, looking forward to reading your book. Can you talk a bit about the video classes you offer?
ReplyDeleteHello! Well I hope you enjoy it! If you come to Paris, we can discuss it over wine =). Our video classes were actually a response to COVID! We were closed for close to 18 months - so we chose our top 6 classes and turned them in to module based video. Access lasts one year and of course you can use them as much as you want during that year. We'd rather have everyone in Paris, but this was a nice in-between!
DeleteJulia Child, an American, couldn't speak French when she moved to Paris and it turned out pretty well for her! LOL.
ReplyDeletehahaha! Very true =)
DeleteJANE: Welcome to Jungle Reds! Your cooking school sounds fantastic!!!! How wonderful that you achieved your dream in France.
ReplyDeleteBefore I went on an European tour, some people mentioned how "rude" the French people are. To my surprise, I never encountered a rude person in France.
We were at the Louvre. I got to explore on my own and I communicated with hand gestures. They understood me. I was buying postcards at the gift shop. I went to a cafe where I had chocolate crepes and espresso. The waiter was polite. No one ever treated me differently because of my Deafness.
Then I remembered that the first Deaf teacher of American Deaf children, Laurent Clerc, came from the French Deaf school around the corner from that cafe. I think I had an easier time communicating with the French because of my familiarity with Sign Language.
Even if some people in my tour group thought the waiter at an outdoor cafe was rude to me when I took another chair from another table to sit at their table, all the waiter said was No in French. I saw Why he said no. He was right. I thought he was actually polite to me when he said No. Others saw it as Rude.
Thank you Diana! I am so pleased to be here!
DeleteI'm glad you brought this subject up, I hear it all the time! I try to remind people to not interpret a different communication style with rudeness. Yes, it is true that French are not effusive with strangers (compared to North Americans), but that doesn't mean rude. Also, when one is speaking in a second language, they might not have the level to participate in all of the pleasantries we can use in English. Even when I am speaking French, I am sure a local would tell you it sounds very direct! Again, we must all remind ourselves that the beauty of travel is getting exposed to different cultures, and they are certainly going to be different than ours!
What would be really fun is if you brought some of the cooking from France here. Deborah
ReplyDeleteOh Deborah - I think it wold be much more fun for you to come here ;)
DeleteFrench food, fresh from the market, is extraordinary. And that is the beginning for French cuisine. I’ve had the best and most memorable food ever in France. But one simple thing sticks out. We were taking an early train somewhere, and I’d not had breakfast. I bought a jambon buerre from a vending machine in the station. I wasn’t expecting much. And I got a surprise! Fresh crusty roll slathered in French butter, and ham that melted in my mouth.
ReplyDeleteEven from a machine the French expect good food!
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Ann - I couldn't agree with you more. There is nothing like shopping at the local market in France. It's much more than a place to buy food, it's a community center. And when you take time to observe that, you notice all the magic that happens between veggies being exchanged!
DeleteAnd I love that you had a wonderful experience with that Jambon Beurre...those unexpected suprises are the best!
What a stellar concept. Looking forward to reading The French Ingredient.
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DeleteThank you Kait (trying again because autocorrect changed your name!) I hope your enjoy the book!
DeleteI suggest a Jungle Reds trip to Paris with a day at Jane’s cooking school. That would be heaven. I was just in France and always notice how people savor their meals, both the food and the conversation. And shop for fresh ingredients at the market. Now I’m thinking why not move there for a while?
ReplyDeleteLet's do it! I just spoke with my daughter and we are seriously considering taking a class or two together.
DeleteWe are thinking maybe mid-March.
Yes Rhys, I too would like to move to France for the next four years. LOL!
DeleteYes a jungle red trip to France
DeleteRhys, Karen, all! I think it's a wonderful idea! I'd love ot see you all in Paris and if it is for a class, or food tour, or just meeting for wine - that would be fabulous!
DeleteWelcome, Jane, and thanks for visiting us today. Any book that our Lucy loves so much immediately goes on my "must read" list, and so it is ordered! I adore everything about eating and cooking in France, the markets, the bread, the wine!!! My daughter and granddaughter would love your classes--maybe we will plan a trip!
ReplyDeleteThank you Deborah! So happy to meet you! If you get the book, I really hope you enjoy it - and if it makes you book a trip to Paris with your family, all teh better!
DeleteHow wonderful to see you here today, hooray! And welcome. What an adventure you are having, you are quite an inspiration. Whenever I think about French cooking schools, I imagine Audrey Hepburn in Sabrina learning how to crack an egg. Remember? Are there things that you do? No more efficiently, as you say, then you did when you started? How important is having a sharp knives? :-) thank you so much for making us swoon with envy, too… :-)
ReplyDeleteBonjour Hank! 'Having' is the operative word - it still continues! If I am in an inspiration that tells people that anyone can do anything, then I will happily wear that title. I think good equipment, like good ingredients, just makes life easier - and yes, all the chef team will tell you that a good sharp knife is a must. I hope the swooning encourages you to book a visit!
DeleteBonjour, Mme Bertch, pardonnez la formulation maladroite, j'utilise Google Translate pour m'amuser. Je viens de te commander de merveilleux mémoires. En tant qu'amateur de bonne chère, je suis sûr que le livre, en particulier votre histoire, sera superbe. Bienvenue chez les écrivains Jungle Red. S'il vous plaît, revenez.
ReplyDeleteParfait Coralee! I myself use google translate - so you are in good company! Thank you for ordering the book - I really hope it brings you to Paris, in many ways!
DeleteJane, you had me at oeuf mayo! So glad you joined us today -- and to see that my library system has your book, now on its way to me!
ReplyDeleteMy library has two copies but a long waiting list. Bummer!
DeleteWonderful Leslie! Happy reading and I hope it reaches you soon. There is nothing better than an Oeuf Mayo - everytime I see it on the menu, I cannot help myself!
DeleteWow! I'm so impressed that you went to Paris at such a young age and made it your home. I think I'd call you fearless. And, opening up a cooking school there. I have a friend who always takes a cooking class from a cooking school when he goes to New Orleans and loves it. Taking one in Paris sounds wonderful. I was in Paris last May, but it was a group of ten people (husband and I only knew two), and everything was so scheduled, I feel I missed out on much I wanted to do. If I go back, I won't do such a scheduled trip. Congratulations on your book, too, and it is definitely a read to enjoy before a return trip. Oh, we did a food tour in Montmartre, where I wanted to spend much more time than I got to, but I thought we would get more history of the place with the tour. It wasn't bad, but I think there are probably more historical tours that include food and information about the artists and writers who lived there. It was lovely to look down at the city at night from the iconic Sacré-Coeur Basilica.
ReplyDeleteHello Kathy! And I am still learning to make it my home. Group travel is great, it takes away all the stress and time used for planning, and it often gives you a good 'taste' of the city - it sounds like it left you thirsty for more, so I do hope you come back. There are plenty of different tours in the city, I am sure you will find your 'sweet spot' next visit!
DeleteAdored La Cuisine Paris Chocolate and Pastry tour of the Marais during my recent stay in Paris. Meeting Jane was a lovely bonus! All because I read The French Ingredient 😋
ReplyDeleteJeanie!! How nice to have someone that has been with us! It was so wonderful to meet you - and I am over the moon that the book brought us together! Writing and putting a memoire in to the world is tough, but it has connected me with so many wonderful people, like you! Come back soon!
DeleteBon jour, Jane! I love that you have such an adventurous spirit. One of my favorite trips was to Paris and I am eager to get back - there's so much more to see! I will devour your book and I know it will motivate me to book it!!!
ReplyDeleteBonjour Jenn! Well, given that I cannot seem to order anything but an Oeuf Mayo, I'm not always so adventurous =). I guess we choose our battles! I hope you do get back to Paris soon, and in the meantime, hoping my book connects you with it! Thank you for reading it!
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