LUCY BURDETTE: I went to hear Betsy Lerner speak at RJ Julia booksellers two weeks ago about her new book, SHRED SISTERS. She was a long time nonfiction agent and editor before starting to write her first novel. I became most intrigued with her answer to how she could write about such a young woman when she is a long way from that age. She answered: I carry that girl with me everywhere.
For me, this was like hitting a gong that reverberated from head to toe. In the contemporary women’s fiction that I am slowly drafting, the main character is in her early 20s and arriving in Paris for the first time. What in the world would make me feel like I had the slightest idea about what she might be thinking and feeling? I realized that I was drawing from my own experience going to France for 5 months in the 1970’s, feeling overwhelmed and terribly homesick. My memories of landing in Paris and barely speaking the language and knowing not a soul are still seared in my psyche. I was farmed out to a French family to celebrate New Year’s Eve when I first arrived. They ate very late and very thoroughly and all the conversation was in fast French and they served RAW OYSTERS. OMG, I was dying. Many years from now (I hope) on my deathbed, I think that scared and overwhelmed girl will still be with me.
Two questions for the day: As a writer, do you have any trouble writing characters who are much younger or otherwise different from you? Must powerful characters come from personal experience?
HALLIE EPHRON: It’s a challenge for me to write in a VOICE (narrator) who’s a lot younger than myself. That’s where the internet is so helpful because you can go out and LISTEN to podcasts and videos that help tune your ear. (And it helps to have an extended family loaded with “experts” on how their generation says stuff and thinks.)
And yes, I absolutely think the most powerful characters come from personal experience – truly negative traumatic experiences can be spun into gold.
RHYS BOWEN: I got a letter from a reader once saying, “I’ve just seen your photo and until then I thought you were the same age as Lady Georgie.” Flattering, I suppose. But I have to say that when I write first person as either Georgie or Molly Murphy I really do think and feel like them. When I started both series the voice came to me instantly so that it was almost like dictating what they were saying. I have to be inside the head of my protagonist. I don’t know how I would handle a protagonist I didn’t like. And I don’t think I see the world as an elderly woman. Inside the wrinkles is still that twenty something.
JENN McKINLAY: My main characters in the romcoms and the mysteries have ranged in age from 27 to 50. Occasionally I feel like a fraud for writing about a twenty-something who upends her life but then I remember when I was 25, I threw all of my stuff and my cat and moved 3,000 miles across the country with no place to live or job and I didn’t have GPS or a cell phone. When I remember that version of me, I know I’m fine. I do think personal experience is critical for writing. How can you write about fear if you’ve never been afraid? Etc. And, yes, there are versions of me that are so powerful, I still draw on them when I need to.
JULIA SPENCER-FLEMING: I don’t think I’d be able to write children as viewpoint characters, because those years seem so distant, and I can’t really connect with the emotions that child had. But the young woman I was? Oh, yes, so very much. Being in college, going abroad for school, the boys, the men, the dancing on the bar (Yes! Only once, though.) That somewhat wild young woman is still inside me, cleverly disguised by wrinkles and gray hair.
I do echo Hallie in that if I’m writing someone young TODAY, it helps enormously to have young people in your life to run the language past. Not just the slang terms - there are words and aphorisms most people under twenty don’t know. I said, “It’s a tempest in a teapot” to my 27-year-old K-drama-watching friend and she had never heard the phrase before. And when I went to explain it, I had to tackle “what is a tempest” first!
HANK PHILLIPPI RYAN: This is a great question. I find it very easy to write little kids–age maybe 5 to 13. Their voices just come out of me, and it’s actually, I will admit, it’s a pleasure. Not sure where it comes from, but I can hear them, and their hopes and fears and misconceptions.
A person older than 40, yes, got that, any gender.
But whoa, a thirty-something woman. That is so difficult, and I really have to think about it. Today’s 30’s are so different from mine–attitude, expectations, confidence.
As for powerful–hmm. I have written powerful scenes that do not come out of my specific personal experience–I have never been kidnapped, for instance. But I can channel fear and darkness from my own fears, I guess, and apply them. It’s like method acting–I can pretend it happened, and then write that. And I do feel the fear–or suspicion, or anger– when I’m in that part of the book. I make myself be someone else.
DEBORAH CROMBIE: I've always liked writing characters that were different from me. Two of my favorites from my very first book were women in the eighties. I felt so at home in their heads, even though I was on the cusp of forty at the time. I like writing children and teenagers, too–those ages are still in my head. Hank has a good point about writing about young women in their thirties and forties, who maybe have more confidence than I did at that age. But do they really feel any different about the basic things?
LUCY AGAIN: As a human being, for everyone, is there a version of yourself that feels so powerful, you will never lose touch with it (even if you might want to?)
The mother/teacher of young children is a version of me that I have never lost touch with . . . . I think it's so deeply ingrained in me that it will always be there . . . .
ReplyDeleteThat sounds exactly right for you, Joan, and what a character it would be if you were to write!
DeleteIt's funny this came up today because I just finished the latest episode for On Fire (the official Survivor podcast) today, and it's is something Jeff Probst was talking about on there. Ultimately, at our core, we are all human. We have the same wants, needs, fears, etc. Yes, our differences influence who we are as well, and that needs to be captured in a character/book to truly reflect those people. But I connect best to the characters of writers who have tapped into those universal qualities of their characters.
ReplyDelete(Who says you can't get great insights from Survivor.)
So funny, Mark, and I admit, I have never once watched an episode of Survivor. I’m glad you managed to wring out some good insights to pass along.
DeleteHank, it's so funny that you mention writing being like method acting. I was just saying the same thing to someone who was having trouble tapping into their characters' emotions.
ReplyDeleteI love writing about characters different than myself. It's fun to get inside their skin and experience the world as they do. Teen language is a challenge, but I just find a teen (a friend's kid or one of my grandnieces or grandnephews) to doublecheck certain words or phrases.
Being a writer is about being observant. Observing and listening to others' conversations and reactions as well as paying attention to our own feelings during emotional periods.
Such a good point Annette! And the observations can be of ourselves or of people we know or read about
DeleteLucy, you do such a great job writing three women of different generations in the Hayley Snow books, and the men in their lives. In fact, all of you have characters so unlike yourselves, and write them convincingly.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Annette about being observant, and I would add empathetic, too. Crawling around inside others' heads requires a lot of understanding and sometimes charity, to portray them realistically. Every character can't be the plucky, Nancy Drew type; somebody has to go to pieces in the face of crisis to make them seem real.
In my own life, if I were writing a character based on me, would probably be from most of the eight years I was single between marriages. For the first time in my life I had been completely independent, and I grew more in those few years than those before or since all put together.
Karen, I would love to read about that character between marriages! And you’ve brought up a wonderful point, that is that the most interesting characters to me are those that are forced to grow and change by internal or external circumstances
DeleteI can find the old versions of me, some buried deep down and for good reason, if I probe. When I remember things I did long ago that I am even embarrassed to admit to myself, I have to jerk myself out of the ensuing funk and reassure myself that I have come a long way since. But I can still access the child, the teen, the 20-something without too much effort. Reds, I rarely question any of your characters' authenticity. For me, character is the number one attraction in any story. Lucy, I agree with Karen "You write them convincingly. "
ReplyDeleteThanks for the kind words, Judy! I know exactly what you mean about remembering things from the past that bring up shame, fear, etc. Who doesn’t have those? Probably those moments are turning points, don’t you think?
DeleteI can think of several times in my life when I felt powerful, and I certainly draw on those in my writing. The times of fear and pain come in, as well, plus conflict.
ReplyDeleteThere was a period when everything in my life was great - a new career I was good at, sons in elementary school, my fitness - EXCEPT my marriage. The bad domestic stuff was amplified by the contrast. It took me a few more years of pain to make the break. I'd been independent before becoming a couple and a parent, but those couple of years of being independent AND with adolescent children before I met Hugh were hard and empowering at the same time.
We are tempered by fire more than by staying cozy.
DeleteI can think of many teen books written by older writers that capture the younger generation so well. Are You There God, The Outsiders, Romeo & Juliet (heavens centuries ago and it still resonates) and there are many current ones out today that take place in the current day that kids love. The issues that kids face are the same ones we faced. But, I believe Hallie mentioned that the language, styles, culture change.
ReplyDeleteI agree Lucy certainly has captured multiple personality types, ages, men/women so well.
The independence and growth when I left Toronto to go to university at 19. New city, living on my own in an apartment, not knowing anyone.
ReplyDeleteHmmm, also traveling solo to Europe for a few months when I was 20 and 22.
DeleteDid you take a gap year too? Most in the USA are 17 when they start university.
DeleteNo, I was 19 when I graduated from high school. In Ontario during the 1980s, you had to go to grade 13 before going to university.
DeleteThose are too great periods Of time to explore, Grace, going off to college and traveling on your own. You have always been an intrepid traveler, and I admire that!
DeleteI love how you all can write so many different characters convincingly!
ReplyDeleteThere are many versions of the past that are still with me--the 4 year old who was in the hospital and apart from her twin, the shy preteen who was bullied, as well as the survivor, the one who learned she could persevere and find some joy, who can treasure deep connections with family and friends and delight in the beauty around her.
I love those ideas! Cannot imagine what it must’ve felt to be separated from your twin for the first time – and in the hospital no less
DeleteHave you read Ruta Sepetys? Each book that I read of hers amazes me, as she gets what I feel is the understanding of the people usually teens as they go through historical events. So well presented. She is the daughter of a Lithuanian refugee, and so many of her books are about living in WW2. She uses her families stories to make them her own.
ReplyDeleteNo, have not read any of those books, but it sounds like a wonderful recommendation!
DeleteI've never questioned the authenticity of any of the Reds' characters--by age, by gender, by culture. As Mark noted, there's a universality in being human. If we're lucky, we live long enough to grow through age, we come to understand our gender, we accept/reject/empower ourselves in our cultural context. If we could only write our current age, gender, culture, time period, that would be denying whole portions of our lived experiences and our imaginations.
ReplyDeleteMy nephews--flatterers that they are--say I don't look my age. I feel it, for sure, but there are so many younger selves inside of me still.
You said it perfectly! So many iterations of yourself living inside you…
Delete"If we could only write our current age, gender, culture, time period, that would be denying whole portions of our lived experiences and our imaginations." Well said Flora.
ReplyDeleteAnd we didn’t get to our current age without having had experiences in our lives that made us who we are now. — Pat S
DeleteAs some of you may remember, my first feint at writing was science fiction. Obviously, none of us can write from personal experience about aliens, or about homesteading on an asteroid, or living in a multi-planet culture connected by wormholes. The best advice I heard was, "Write what you know - about being human." Once you've gotten that down, it becomes easier to put yourself behind the eyes of almost any character, because they're all - rabbits in WATERSHIP DOWN and elves in LoTR included - human.
ReplyDeleteAbsolutely, Julia! We could start with Winnie the Pooh. Such human personalities captured in those little characters!
DeleteYes, I am now reading and reveling in PONY CONFIDENTIAL. Mark my words :-)
DeleteThat is great advice that you are passing on, Julia--write about being human. One of my two main characters is a thirty-five-year-old Italian-Swiss man, and I hope I manage to make him real and likable--and still very different from me.
ReplyDeleteThroughout the latter part of my youngest sister’s life, I became an advocate for her when I saw that she had needs that were not being met. She suffered from fairly severe mental illness, and also was deteriorating rapidly from MS. She often was unable to speak for herself. She eventually had to go to Not the Best Nursing Home. I was still working at that point, and at times I felt like I was working two jobs. I’m an introvert, and it wasn’t easy to for me to contact whoever needed to be contacted, but I learned to do it. I was on edge for a lot of those years. I managed to learn all the skills I needed in order to speak up for her. I made a pest of myself, and stopped worrying about offending the people in charge. I hope I never need to use these skills again, but I know I could do it if I had to.
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She was so lucky to have you advocating for her, Deb! Hope you don’t have to do it again for anyone else or yourself, but you sure could if you needed to.
DeleteI've been dreaming about being in high school, and I think the reason is that I was so competent at everything. I graduated as valedictorian, which meant I was good at scheduling my time to study. I had to be good at scheduling time because I was involved in band, winning superiors at state in the overall band performance and the trios and quartets I did, too. I was in speech, prose presentation (can't remember the actual name of the category) and discussion, achieving superiors in those. I won several writing competitions and was chosen as the DAR (Daughters of the American Revolution) student from my school. I was a cheerleader, on the school newspaper staff, in Pep Club, in Latin Club, on student council, in chorus and in school plays. I had a confidence and measure of success that was quite satisfying, and I didn't have the adult responsibilities yet. So, I think I am connecting with that time because it was a good period of life before I really knew pain or disappointment. Now, I did not continue this participation in college. Yes, academically I did, but I'm surprised I had no interest in joining a sorority (much to my mother's dismay). I became more of a hippie then.
ReplyDeleteWhat a history you had! I think you are right, those were days without much in the way of adult responsibility or pain. For some folks anyway.
DeleteFascintaing how we're all so different in our approach to characters and which ones resonate with us.
ReplyDeleteAnd this is all so deeply thought-provoking…
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