LUCY BURDETTE: I’m not quite sure why this topic came to me, other than as a card carrying member of the Jungle Red blog, one must always be alert for possibly interesting subjects! Maybe these spoons caught my imagination when we’d been getting ready for a party and polishing the silver? Anyway, they got me thinking about monograms. I’ve never been the kind of person who wanted to put her name on sheets or towels or articles of clothing. In fact, a number of years ago, John bought some silver knives on eBay to fill out our set. They had somebody else’s initials on them and I never liked using them. We sold them back not long after. I do like these spoons because they are a blast from the past, monograms from my maternal grandmother, my mother, and then John’s baby spoon. Don't you love the one with the little windmill?

Here’s another one that I love, because it was the class ring belonging to my grandmother, Alice May Hunziker Isleib, who attended the Patterson Normal School.
I also got a kick out of coming across this briefcase which my father presented to me when I graduated with my degree in clinical psychology. I haven’t used it in years, but it makes me smile to think of him choosing it.
Are you a monogram person?
HALLIE EPHRON: I have a friend who was divorced twice, and her maiden name and both married names started with the initial H. So her monogrammed towels conveniently lived on, marriage after marriage and continue on now that she’s once again single.
I always hated my monogram. HE. I’m not a HE. It’s even worse with my middle name: HEE. It’s not funny. So I would rather NOT have my initials emblazoned on anything I own.
DEBORAH CROMBIE: The only thing I can think of that I’ve ever had monogrammed was a lovely decorative stationery stamp–which if I ever managed to write cards and letters to people, I would still use. But no monogrammed sheets, towels, or silverware here. My maiden name initials were fine–DLD–and those from my first married name (which is still my legal and professional name) are fine, too–DLC. I have had my husband’s initials, RW, engraved on some cocktail glasses, come to think of it, although I’m not quite sure why since he’s not much for drinking cocktails!
HANK PHILLIPPI RYAN: Aw, well, no, I guess. Do I have anything emblazoned (such a good word) with H? Just an Hermes bracelet, thank you very much, which is all the monogram I need. :-) Someone gave me rocks glasses with an H on them, that’s fun, but whatever. My initials are HPR, in some worlds, which is fine. And I do have that monogram on my suitcase, which I have to say is helpful. But it’s tiny. I wish I had things with my grandmothers’ monograms, I’d love that, but I don’t. Or my mother’s. I am not at all anti-monogram though, I think they can be very sweet.
JULIA SPENCER-FLEMING: Debs, I love the fact your initials are also the Roman number 590! I do love monograms, and I have several things of my mother’s that had hers - although since she married three times, they aren’t always the same! However, having a hyphenated name is tricky, especially if, like me, you’re a stickler for the proper form. For instance, my married name is Julia J. Hugo-Vidal, so a PROPER monogram should be J H-V J. Try fitting that onto a glass! Most places don’t even offer that level of customization.
I do have, however, the family writing paper! I got a copperplate engraving of H-V from Crane Stationery shortly after I got married, and every five or ten years I have another batch printed. Each of the kids now has a box of their own, so if they aren’t writing proper bread-and-butter notes, they can’t blame it on a lack of paper.
No monograms here . . . I'm not particularly anti-monogram but I've never really seen the need for having something monogrammed. I don't remember seeing monogrammed things when I was growing up, so I guess it's just one of those things that didn't make an impression on me . . . .
ReplyDeleteI'm with you Joan. I'm not impressed with them when I see them. Can't figure out the need to basically stake a claim on something. I always wondered with these ultra-rich folks who monogram items - does that extend to underwear, too? How far do they take it? - Victoria
DeleteI never got into monograms either. To me they seem part of romantic Victorian era novels. I find them charming in that context, but don't relate to them in contemporary life.
ReplyDeleteI'd like to see the family crest signet ring, too. Now ... I could see a whole mystery being written around that! 😊
oh good idea, Rhys???
DeleteI remember a photo on our fridge when I was growing up. It was the daughter of family friends, and her sweater had a monogram. Like Jenn, I remember being confused about the “middle” initial not being the middle initial.
ReplyDeleteI think the only things I’ve had with a monogram were some lovely linen handkerchiefs that had been my great uncle’s. The W for Wagner could be M from my last name when viewed correctly.
In my first job, we all went by our initials. It stemmed from the practice of circulating environmental articles around with the initials of the people who were supposed to see it in the upper corner. I still think of those colleagues as DAB, DET, EMC. My own, LBM, were the same as pound-mass from our engineering classes, so sometimes my boss called me that.
Your boss called you pound-mass?!
DeleteLisa, sounds exactly like the kind of thing that used to happen when women were in mostly-male work environments. Pound-mass, indeed!
DeleteNot from a monogram family. But I always thought my first 2 initials were perfect for a writer; I had them stenciled on my first- ever work parking place: B S Epstein
ReplyDeleteThe silver I use for special occasions is my Maxwell grandmother's, and the M fits me perfectly. I think that the only monogram I've ever had until recently, which is fine. My daughter-in-law's aunt in Puerto Rico does embossed metalwork (not sure if that's the right term), and she made me a bookmark with a big E on it. It's hanging in a window in my office instead of me using it in a book because I like to look at it.
ReplyDeleteThere was a CFO at the first hi-tech company I worked at, a Kurzweil speech recognition company (descendants of that software are responsible in part for you being able to talk to your remote or your Alexa or your Dragon app). The guy was named Bernie Bradstreet, and he wore very nice shirts with his monogram on the cuff. We had weekly all-company lunches, so we saw the cuff up close, and some of us joked later that Bernie's mom didn't want him losing his clothes at camp. (The dude pulled some financial shenanigans and ended up in jail. Haven't thought about him in years.)
Such an interesting topic, and one I haven't thought about before. As one with Southern parents, I grew up with monograms. I always loved them and found the mystery of the last initial in the middle intriguing. For a long time I wore a blouse of my grandmother's, monogrammed with her initials. My legal name is complicated and has a first name plus an unspellable married last name that I don't use in day to day life. Thus my initials are MSWH. It's a long and unwieldy handle that fits in no boxes, so for Medicare billing, for example, I am M-- H--, the two names I do not use. I must always clarify that I am Selden. I've initialed a lot of legal papers with MSWH, but I've never bought anything monogrammed because it seemed impossible. In my childhood, when I was MSW, my grandmother paid for a monogrammed gold ring for me at age 10. I have always worn that ring, my mother having it resized for me in my late teens. Of course the monogram has long since rubbed away.
ReplyDeleteFunny that you mention polishing silver. I have a few silver serving spoons, worn thin and monogrammed with an S. Selden is a family name, and my great-great grandfather who owned the spoons was a captain in the Confederate army. Though the son of a good, sober man, he was a wastrel who was out drinking with the boys when his last child was born and his wife died of puerperal fever. I've read the Confederate correspondence detailing his failures as an officer due to shamming sickness (hangovers) and later the legal papers when his parents-in-law, who had taken custody of all six children, tried to force him off the plantation they had paid for. He lived on to die much later in a hotel when the mosquito netting over his bed caught fire, no doubt due to smoking in bed while drunk. I always think of him and his poor wife Betty while polishing their 1850s monogrammed silver spoons. (Selden)
Oh my goodness, Selden...Your family history is always both interesting and intriguing! What a story behind your monogrammed silver spoons. The sentimental side of me loved the fact that you wore your grandmother's monogrammed blouse. How lovely!
DeleteGood story, Selden! Your family history sounds like a story waiting for a writer!
Deleteabsolutely needs to be written Selden!
DeleteWhat an intriguing family history, Selden. Having those heirloom spoons is really cool, too.
DeleteI agree. Such an interesting history, and, as Judy Singer said, a story waiting for a writer. Oops, this is Elizabeth.
DeleteOh boy...I'm probably going to be the only blogger on here who is fond of monograms or maybe in my case monogram phrases. Ever since I married my current husband years ago I became hooked on the phrase "Two Peas In a Pod" because my married last name which is Italian sounds similar to the word "peas". At least the Americanized pronunciation of my married name. So over the years I have had the phrase "Two P-Z's In a Pod" monogramed on a few things; in particular, an annual New Yorker Desk Diary's front cover and a few other personal items. It's mainly an in-house connection my husband and I share as a personal and close bond with each other. I won't get into how many times my last name is dreadfully or even humorously mispronounced or misspelled so condensing it to the letters P-Z has also become a fond nickname for the two of us. As for single initial monograms I confess to having the letter "P" on the "good towels"...you know the ones you hang on a towel rack with the implied message "do not wipe your hands on these...use the guest towels". :-) Also two beautiful coffee carafes I have used during my more formal entertainment days which as I grow older become ever more closer to casual dining. Still I love using those carafes. They keep the coffee fresh and hot and readily available on the dining room table during dessert time. I admit to also loving items that may have a certain symbolic significance to me; i.e., six small cocktail glasses I found in a sweet little antique shop called "Nesting" in Concord, MA with roosters lasered on the front of them. My mother-in-law's maiden name was Gallo which means rooster in Italian and she loved it when I used them to serve eggnog or a sweet dessert. I also love Italian Pottery and we have a lovely white rooster from Italy that sits on a kitchen shelf. It's a lovely reminder of my M-I-L's surname and her Calabria ancestry in Southern Italy. I've wandered off track here but I often think that monogrammed items, especially those artifacts passed down through family generations, may also signify "Please always remember me".
ReplyDeletegood family stories Evelyn!
DeleteThank you so much...I am a very sentimental person so I especially loved your briefcase story. I love its connection with your father and the pride and love he must have felt for you, Lucy.
DeleteEvelyn, I am also a sentimental person, at least where my parents are concerned. It is hard for me to give up anything that reminds me of them. I wear my mother's engagement and wedding rings, since I (being poor and practical) had asked for a labrador retriever puppy instead of an engagement ring. (Selden)
DeleteEvelyn, when my two youngest children were small it was hard to tell their baby pictures apart, so "two peas in a pod" was a family catchword. And later, they learned to use that phrase as our family password for just-in-case situations. When I couldn't pick them up, they were only to go with a replacement if they used that phrase, for instance. And we have a darling Christmas ornament of two peas in a pod that goes on the tree every year. How fun to share this with you!
DeleteWhat a funny coincidence about the peas in a pod! I love this!
DeleteI love this, too! What a wonderful...and clever....way to use the phrase "two peas in a pod" and make it a family catchword as well as a password in "just-in-case" situations. Very smart idea! We are also fans of peas in a pod Christmas ornaments as well, Karen. An artist in our community also made us a peas in a pod sculpture out of pottery which we absolutely love. I'm not sure if any other Jungle Red writers/bloggers are fans of Nora Fleming's stoneware but I have several of her serving pieces and minis (which can be attached to the service ware). The minis are quite clever and can be changed out to depict holidays, birthdays, seasons of the year, etc. She has quite a few vegetable and fruit minis but alas no peas in a pod. :-) I've emailed Nora Fleming a few times to ask her to consider having a peas in a pod mini. Especially when she goes online and asks her clients (just for fun) what they would like to see as future minis. She always politely answers my emails but so far I'm batting zero. :-(
DeleteNora Fleming's minis are charming. She so does need a two peas in a pod one!
DeleteEvelyn I think you're right, monograms are about remembrance. Leaving a person's (or family's) STAMP on something material that will be passed down generation to generation. Publishing a book has a similar effect -- leaving something of oneself behind.
DeleteKaren....I think it's time for another "two peas in a pod" email to Nora Fleming! :-)
DeleteOh yes for sure...Books are one of the best examples of leaving something of oneself behind, Hallie. I should have included that! :-)
DeleteSelden ~ I was 8 years into my marriage before I was gifted with a surprise diamond (engagement ) ring, At that time I was working in research labs at Harvard University and could not wear it to work because of all the chemicals. To be honest I would have been just fine if I had never received one although it was a sweet surprise. I enjoy my wedding band much better as it was a personal design and I love it. I think you made a wise choice ...who could ever resist receiving a puppy in its place?!!
DeleteBack in the 1980s I had leggings that matched a monogrammed sweater. I’m not talking about stretchy pants. I’m talking about sweaters for your calves. They were perfect with my vibram-soled hiking boots for trudging across campus in a snowstorm.
ReplyDeleteThe thing that makes me itchy, Jenn, is catalogs that sell personalized items with an apostrophe mistake.
Yaaassss. I've seen more apostrophe mistakes in the last few years. I level up from itching to it making my teeth hurt.
DeleteI do have a few monogrammed items that were my parents and I use the occasionally. Every time I come across one, I feel a bit nostalgic. I was just 18 when my mother died. The last generation had more monogrammed stuff than this generation. Irwin and I haven't monogrammed anything.
ReplyDeleteI'm so glad you have those mementos, Judy.
DeleteUsing your initials in Japanese culture is not common. I have never seen monograms in my family's posessions.
ReplyDeleteOh, that is so fascinating! I’m thinking about this so much. I wonder about other cultures, too, now. Tell us more! Do you have any idea why? Are there any kinds of indications of family other than monograms?
DeleteJapanese use a hanko, a small custom family stamp. It is usually your surname in kanji ( chinese characters)
Deletehttps://learnjapanese123.com/hanko-japanese-name-stamp-seal/
In Japan there is the hanko, a small stamp at the end of a cylinder with the name characters carved into it. Everyone would have one and a little kit with a red ink pad. You would ink your stamp and apply it as a signature to documents. Do I have that right, Grace? My adult students had one made for me that I still have, although the ink pad in the kit has dried up.
DeleteI just posted a picture of my hanko on my FB page!
DeleteYes, that is correct, Edith. My dad got a hanko made when we were in Japan in the 1980s. He used it for official documents after his father died.
DeleteThat is so cool!
DeleteNo monograms on Nome St. I do remember when we were naming the girls we looked at their initials. We managed to avoid HEE, but did not serve Amy (ARH) coughing sound. Now me? I love my first initial and full last name. People meet C.Hicks..and I don't have any eggs either.
ReplyDeleteOh, that’s so funny! When did you first notice that?
DeleteIn CT when I school librarian was making my nameplate. about 43 years ago now.
DeleteLove that story.
DeleteNow we're going to call you Chick, Coralee. So lovely.
DeleteRhys I would love to see your family crest signet ring!
ReplyDeleteWhen I was in high school in southern California . Because we had a number of navy families who were stationed in our navy community, signet rings and mongograms were suddenly popular as were all things preppy. I thought the last name initial being in the middle was a little weird but liked it for some reason. I had a problem though in that I had no middle name - just two initials.
:)
Yes, it is weird. LOL. And I do remember the preppy days - it was all Bermuda bags and monograms - Ack! How could I have forgotten?
DeleteOh, yes, the preppy era! Everyone had monograms: shirt pockets, shirt cuffs, breast pockets on navy blazers, those cute little oval wooden frame bags with the button-on covers (that I never had). All my girlfriends had monogrammed stationery, and I was given some as a gift when Steve and I got married, some of which I still have. Two other wedding gifts were a set of "M" monogrammed crystal highball glasses and a cool serving tray made of a curved sheet of glass. Our 43rd anniversary is tomorrow, and all of those lovely pieces have survived so far, a minor miracle. Other than that, I have some antique linens that I bought, despite the fact that they are someone else's initials. No one has ever asked me about them.
ReplyDeleteWhen we got married I chose to take Steve's surname for a variety of reasons. The bonus was that my initials became KLM. That appeals to me on a couple levels: the letters are sequential in the alphabet, and it is the call sign of the Royal Dutch Airlines. One drawback, if the traditional last initial goes in the middle is used it reads "camel". Just no.
There's a tempest in a teapot "scandal" over a piece of stationery found from when Jen Psaki vacated the White House Press office. It's embossed with her name, and naturally she is being raked over the coals over "wasting money", which is ludicrous. I wouldn't be surprised to know it had been a gift when she got the job.
Lucy, I love your grandmother's spoons. Such an unusual pattern.
Bermuda bags to hold our Bonne Bell lip smacker lip gloss.
DeleteI didn't have one either.
DeleteYes, thanks, Jenn! Bermuda bags. Canvas, linen, and corduroy, usually with contrast piping. Went great with our striped grosgrain belts.
DeleteMongrams and family crests are fascinating! My Dad is an artist and he drew the family crest on a piece of leather. I remember seeing airline travelers carry bags with their monograms and I had this game of guessing the names. Fun game making up names. I agree with Jenn that I cannot figure out why the last name goes in the middle. I wonder how families in England do their monograms because I am sure that there are many families with hyendrated names. A relative inherited monogrammed spoons from his grandmother. Remember Murder on the Orient Express where a “clue” was a monogrammed handkerchief ?
ReplyDeleteRhys, I want to see the family crest signet ring.
No monograms here. I'm another who is not particularly anti-monogram, but I've never seen the point.
ReplyDeleteExactly.
DeleteMonograms were a thing in my childhood – only the hoi-poloi had them, so if you had aspirations, so would you. Hence there were a lot of things (we were those with the aspirations), and you should be grateful! Gran gave me a silver backed set of hairbrushes, etc to adorn my dressing table – all with an M on them (never used – useless but pretty things). My mother’s silver all had an L. In university I had a stamp with an M that was squished into a dob of red sealing wax on the envelope for a letter.
ReplyDeleteNow it seems that our house is a repertoire for all things silver – no I do not want it! – and especially if it is from Jack’s family. They thought we would be the carekeepers for all eternity. Lots of things are labelled P – his family’s initial. Some, however are from his grandmother’s family on the mother’s side – they have an M. People comment how nice it is to see my name initial on them – Nope from Granny, but I just smile and say thank you. However, the poor old flower vase without the handle but with an M is always polished up, and on the buffet area when a great meal is served – thanks Granny!
Margo, you reminded me that I used to have sealing wax stamp with a D. Wonder what happened to it?
DeleteI love those spoons. I have spoons from my grandfather's neighbor's house. We always knew her as Mabel Bentley. Some of the spoons say Mabel and others say Marybell, or just M so I'm not to sure what her name really was, especially since we just call her Bentley. But what's really fun is that they have dates and that makes them special I mean how many people have a spoon that's dated 1911? I'm sure some of you have dated items do but I think it's special, and none of the spoons match.
ReplyDeleteMy initials are DED. I don't want anything monogrammed, I mean I'm dead! Play old D. sure, maybe but not the whole kitten caboodle, not gonna happen. Before she married my sister was KAD!
The date would make it infinitely more interesting to me.
DeleteNo, I'm not part of the monogram culture. My parents weren't either. But I have a lovely silk pocket handkerchief with an A embroidered on it that belonged to Grandpa, Mom's dad. He went by his middle name, Alvin, and carried that hankie on his wedding day. My mother-in-law was from Mississippi and loved monograms, at least on gifts from her. But none of her family items had monograms.
ReplyDeleteI don’t have any monogrammed items, but I have no objection to them. Reading Margo’s comment about monogrammed silver-backed hairbrushes reminded me that my mom had a set that she received as either a shower gift or wedding gift -I can’t remember which - in 1946. I have no idea what happened to them. My mom may have gotten rid of them in a move. (I’m sentimental: she was not!)
ReplyDeleteDebRo
Deb, I'm the sentimental one and my daughter is the keep-only-if-used one. I can imagine her coming across the monogrammed hairbrushes and easily putting them in the toss pile.
DeleteI don’t use monograms on any actual material items, but I do use my mother’s initials as part of several passwords. Not only are they ..easy to remember, but also a way to keep her in mind.
ReplyDeleteWhere does the word monogram come from since mono is one but there are usually more than one portayed.
Excellent question. Anyone?
DeleteI don't have any monograms of my own, but there is one linen tea towel I use with my mother's initials, JKH, embroidered on it. When I was born, my godfather gave me a traditional pewter baby porringer with a pretty filagree handle. My name was on the bottom in elegant italics. When our son was born, I found that porringer in a box and had his name written on the bottom in a different attractive script, and he used it for his mashed fruit, veggies, and cereal until he outgrew it. I like the idea of a grandson or granddaughter using it with their name on it, too, but no grandchildren on the horizon yet.
ReplyDeleteI lean towards no on monogrammed items. I can't think of anything I have thusly marked. But, it might have been nice to have something from the family tree with a monogram.
ReplyDeleteI will concede that a signet ring would be cool but I would need the initials to be all the same size.
ReplyDelete